2016 Postmortem

Rilgin

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27. I am actually addressing a different issue

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:42 AM

May 2016

There is a theme in the democratic party where instead of blaming the Democratic Party insiders for putting up bad candidates in off year elections they blame voters.

We see this often. We have lost the House, Senate, numerous state governments. The establishment meme is that its the democratic voters fault for not supporting the candidates that were put up. I object to that and believe its the fault of the candidates put up. Put up candidates that people get excited to vote for because they stand for something and people will vote for them.

Usually this meme is put forth after the mid term is over. I thought it would be useful to point it out before hand that since Hillary looks like she will be our candidate, her supporters should not blame others if it turns out again that the Democratic Party picked a bad candidate.

You either misread my post or want to keep your options open to thinking you made a perfect selection and want to be able to blame others if she loses. If she is elected, in the future, I will say I was wrong about her electability. See how easy it is. If she is not electable, do not blame others because it has been pointed out over and over what her problems are as a candidate.

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Let's be clear. If Hillary loses the General. The responsibility is on her primary voters [View all] Rilgin May 2016 OP

Okey Doke... BooScout May 2016 #1

Should we not support a candidate on the idea that they might lose? barrow-wight May 2016 #2

it looks like Bernie's campaign is winding down underthematrix May 2016 #3

More "throwing chairs" utter bullshit from a Hillary supporter. djean111 May 2016 #11

I don't think I said that. I said Bernie's campaign is winding down underthematrix May 2016 #64

The article you linked to was utter drivel about how Bernie did not take responsibility for or djean111 May 2016 #65

I thought the article indicated Bernie had some of the underthematrix May 2016 #66

This is really very simple. Skinner May 2016 #4

It is also the case that if you put up a bad candidate its your fault. (NT) Rilgin May 2016 #7

So when the repubs defeat progressive legislation onenote May 2016 #13

Pretty simple. If you have a choice of two different paths. Be responsible for the path you want. Rilgin May 2016 #16

You don't get to define the paths, Sherlock. randome May 2016 #40

Its not "my" way. onenote May 2016 #44

I have not said a word advocating voting for trump or not voting. I hope Hillary wins. Rilgin May 2016 #51

Not as fractured? Some history: onenote May 2016 #56

I lived and voted then. Rilgin May 2016 #57

So did I. There were differences then, too. onenote May 2016 #58

The problem here is that we won't know how any candidate performs in the general election... Skinner May 2016 #17

You are right. Rilgin May 2016 #20

Nobody needs to admit they were wrong. Skinner May 2016 #26

After responding to a few people I realize something really about why I wanted to say this Rilgin May 2016 #31

Obviously the candidates we select matter. Skinner May 2016 #38

I think the lesson from recent mid term losses is different than what you took Rilgin May 2016 #45

For me it's saying neither of the two meet my minimum threshold of acceptability BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #22

Do you have a preference between Hillary or Trump? Skinner May 2016 #33

Publicly inciting violence against minorities is despicable. IdaBriggs May 2016 #35

Two entire paragraphs without an answer to what was a very simple question. randome May 2016 #42

Apologies if I wasn't clear: I pick NEITHER. I reject the premise IdaBriggs May 2016 #49

I could never vote for either but think Hillary would probably be worse BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #39

So you prefer Trump to Hillary. Skinner May 2016 #43

You prefer Hillary to Bernie BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #46

Disagree. When a candidate has a DOCUMENTED history of lying, like Trump and Hillary, IdaBriggs May 2016 #34

But there are parameters that we can understand from history. If we choose to ignore them pdsimdars May 2016 #50

Good post. It is exactly what I look at. Rilgin May 2016 #53

That's the exact argument I use for Sanders. joshcryer May 2016 #68

We have to GOTV, electing Democrats at every level, staying home and not voting is Thinkingabout May 2016 #5

That requires enthusiasm ibegurpard May 2016 #61

This is where leadership arises. Thinkingabout May 2016 #62

You better hope she has leadership then, because she's piss poor at generating enthusiasm for her. JimDandy May 2016 #67

Great post, nt. Broward May 2016 #6

Someone's trying to re-invent reality, I'm afraid. Uben May 2016 #8

Looks like I hit a nerve. Shifting blame already to someone else Rilgin May 2016 #14

I didn't say I voted for Clinton Uben May 2016 #21

I am actually addressing a different issue Rilgin May 2016 #27

You want them to put up candidates that excite people Uben May 2016 #52

If nothing stuck, then her net favorables would not be at historic lows. Rilgin May 2016 #55

God forbid ... but if she does jimlup May 2016 #9

So what? djean111 May 2016 #12

Blame people who did not vote for her... apcalc May 2016 #15

Who cares what the kind of people who support Hillary Clinton say about anything? BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #23

No. Let's be truthful. If Clinton loses the GE onenote May 2016 #10

Absolutely Justice May 2016 #18

There were two different paths. You look like you will win. Take responsibility for selecting it. Rilgin May 2016 #19

No, it's on the people who foisted her on the rest of us. Jester Messiah May 2016 #32

That's the way I see it DrDan May 2016 #36

No the Democratic Establishment is responsible. Skwmom May 2016 #24

The Hillary camp isn't worried. smiley May 2016 #25

Every time we get a lousy president or a seemingly good president starts making lousy choices My Good Babushka May 2016 #28

IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General - Trump Can Easily Win cantbeserious May 2016 #29

Of course. If you deliberately pick a bad candidate Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #30

Ok thanks for letting us know. hrmjustin May 2016 #37

NO it's people voting or not voting treestar May 2016 #41

you're fucking campaigning, advocating against her here bigtree May 2016 #47

IF Hillary is the nominee she will lose in the General. She is a weak candidate. pdsimdars May 2016 #48

Bless you for trying and thank you for a well thought out OP and the good discussion it provoked. Hiraeth May 2016 #54

The Clinton campaign has been so consisently filthy that it drove away many who would have Zorra May 2016 #59

She is a fine example of The Bland leading The Bland. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #60

OK? workinclasszero May 2016 #63