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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
35. no, conservatism...
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:27 AM
Mar 2013

I don't think I would define conservatism as a symptom of PTSD. Conservatism is an approach to life, not a symptom of a disease. It is just a measure of risk one is willing to take.

As I wrote elsewhere, I am very liberal in my thinking and voting, but conservative in my personal choices. On the surface, a Ayn Randian would look at my political liberalism and say I'm looking for the "nanny state" to do my thinking for me. Were I asked, however, I would say I trust the combined observation and collaborative thinking of many viewpoints and the resulting decisions over any one individual, no matter how intelligent that one individual is. And it turns out I am right; recent studies (forget now where I saw this, maybe a PBS program on the group mind) have shown that decisions and choices made by large groups are usually more successful than those made by individuals, even when the groups are not the highest IQ and the individual is.

A specific example:personally, I prefer the virtual guarantee of a retirement income over the vagaries of real life with the risk of losing all my savings to fraud or a crappy bit of luck. Which would make my politically "liberal" support for Social Security a result of my "conservative," risk-averse approach to life.

So we have to be careful not to confuse conservatism in general with political conservatism, not to mention the extreme teaparty variation of conservative we see today.

Back to the nature versus nature, I have a pretty good, general idea of the function of dna and genes. Genes are molecules that provide the chemical recipe for the synthesis of proteins. The actual function of dna plus rna is really quite mechanical and interesting to look at closely. However, the development of neurological pathways is more than just genetic.

It is similar to muscle development. You may genetically inherit a tendency for big, bulky muscles, but if you sit in a chair in front of a computer all day, those muscles will not develop. Conversely, if you engage in daily practice of weight lifting, you will realize that genetic tendency toward big blocky muscles. On the other hand, if you spend a lot of time training for distance running, you will develop muscles more geared toward distance running, but you will likely never be as good at it as somebody with dna that provides a more streamlined, long-limbed body.

Likewise, your genetic tendency may be for example, to develop very good and sensitive hearing, but if you listen all day to classical music, your emotions and thinking will develop more in one direction, whereas if you listen all day to Rush Limbaugh, your emotions and thinking will develop more in another direction. In the first case, your "math muscle" and "aural pattern recognition muscle" and "equanimity muscle" are exercised. In the second, your "hate muscle" and "chaotic, illogical muscle" are exercised, while your poor "logic muscle" atrophies, lol.

In any event, the twin study in your post cites an example of only one pair of twins, which provides an idea but hardly proof. For statistical validity, it would require a minimum of 60 data points (i this case 60 pairs of twins looked at for "neatness" and "slobiness&quot and really requires many hundreds if not thousands to give a valid answer.

And it is, like many psychological studies, less data driven than anecdotal. I wonder if mother #2 would be considered a slob by most people, or if she only seemed like a slob to the exacting twin she raised. IOW, once you are relying on one individual's description and explanation of their personal experience, you are out of the realm of science. What constitutes "neatness?" What constitutes "a slob?" There is no one definition. Are the twins equally "neat?" and according to whom? How does that compare to the relative neatness of slobbiness of another set of twins, and their descriptions of their childhood? That is why psychology is considered a "soft" science. No matter how much they try to combine it with hard, measurable sciences, it really is comes down to one person's definition of a term versus another.

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Yes, but what about the Republican Stupidity Quotient? NBachers Mar 2013 #1
Oh, it's in there. sofa king Mar 2013 #16
fascinating paper! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #31
Yes it is. sofa king Mar 2013 #33
Bravo IrishAyes Mar 2013 #43
"difficulty understanding anything ambiguous or complex." Kali Mar 2013 #37
You have the makings of a sig line there. RC Mar 2013 #51
Some people believe any garbage whistler162 Mar 2013 #2
The OP article was printed on the internet, and so was this comment. alfredo Mar 2013 #13
Ever-since the earth was created 5000 years ago... Larry Ogg Mar 2013 #17
That's where... IrishAyes Mar 2013 #44
I look forward to additional studies... immoderate Mar 2013 #3
what they're arguing is *not* genetic magical thyme Mar 2013 #4
So in broad terms, a portion of conservatism may be a symptom of PTSD? Thor_MN Mar 2013 #5
Could relate to fear of change and need to control one's environment. socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #6
Expansion on the thought GeoWilliam750 Mar 2013 #24
Sounds about right to me IrishAyes Mar 2013 #46
I don't know that I would define it that way... magical thyme Mar 2013 #11
Nurture or Nature? Larry Ogg Mar 2013 #20
no, conservatism... magical thyme Mar 2013 #35
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Well, maybe more generally, DESNOS-- Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #53
that makes sense magical thyme Mar 2013 #54
I agree with you to some extent. The fear factor can come from other sources such as extreme jwirr Mar 2013 #7
As someone who experience terrible panic attacks for years, I can say it didnt cause right wingism.. JoeBlowToo Mar 2013 #12
Yes, my brother and granddaughter both are good Dems. jwirr Mar 2013 #14
I've always been liberal and nonconformist BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2013 #26
it's like the difference between my eldest sister and I, magical thyme Mar 2013 #30
A tip of the shamrock to you IrishAyes Mar 2013 #48
here's the explanation that makes sense to me: certainot Mar 2013 #34
Probably because IrishAyes Mar 2013 #45
I blame religion SpartanDem Mar 2013 #47
This required a study? davidthegnome Mar 2013 #8
And, less surprisingly, fox news is more dedicated to stoking fear than anything else bhikkhu Mar 2013 #9
I Have A Fear of Guns otohara Mar 2013 #10
I have a fear of strangers....and crowds AlbertCat Mar 2013 #15
We are dealing with people who ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #18
+100000 BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2013 #27
YEAH, THE BELIEFS OF MANY OF MY FELLOW AMERICANS TRULY RESEMBLE EITHER drynberg Mar 2013 #42
The Most Profound Statement In The Article Reads DallasNE Mar 2013 #19
smack in that age group - 49. maxsolomon Mar 2013 #21
I wonder if it is a brain wave thing... mrsadm Mar 2013 #22
One would probably need brain cells for waves to be transmitted? Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #32
Matches what John Dean discovered and wrote... Grins Mar 2013 #23
now I want that book! BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2013 #28
The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer. reACTIONary Mar 2013 #29
Yes, this. Avalux Mar 2013 #39
Hey, d'ya think... IrishAyes Mar 2013 #49
So, basically, conservatives are paranoid psychos? Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #36
Check out these two books!! bluedeer71 Mar 2013 #38
I will have to read that, but this is a good time to tell a joke davidpdx Mar 2013 #40
Lets not get "to much" information from this study, happyslug Mar 2013 #41
Very thoughtful post IrishAyes Mar 2013 #50
I knew there was a legitimate reason people vote against their own best interest. liberal N proud Mar 2013 #52
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