2016 Postmortem

VanillaRhapsody

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98. and furthermore...

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 05:58 PM

Nov 2013

But, to my eyes, that letter says everything about where Clinton stands vis a vis the rest of the Democratic Party. In short, 2016 won't be 2008, where Clinton was a powerful but contentious figure in the party, and a well-organized challenger could capitalize on grassroots anger and establishment discontent to derail her path to the nomination. Now, Clinton is a wildly popular figure, with one of the highest statures in American politics. Among Democrats, 67 percent favor her for the nomination (compared to 4 percent for Warren) , and in an early poll of potential New Hampshire primary voters, she has the highest favorability ratings—near 80 percent—of any potential candidate. This is a far cry from 2006, where—at most—she had support from a plurality of Democrats.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/11/there-s-no-chance-that-elizabeth-warren-beats-hillary-clinton.html

barring something unforeseen (you are welcome to wish for that I suppose) it looks like Hillary IS the apparent nominee...

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Ohhhh now Hillary is the big bad wolf.. [View all] Peacetrain Nov 2013 OP

don't think Mrs. Clinton will run but she is willing to take some of the heat :) Sunlei Nov 2013 #1

We're not going to rely on you for political prognostications, then! MADem Nov 2013 #152

Well, I was a Hillary supporter the last time around Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #2

I wholeheartedly agree Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #12

2014 is the BIG one Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #153

Yes it is! mimi85 Nov 2013 #164

The only difference is the threat level is so high it has made them start earlier than last time. Pisces Nov 2013 #3

Agreed... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #20

reliable few? baloney. And I have my opinion on who the trolls are cali Nov 2013 #73

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! DLC and third way "dems" would love her leading the ticket. peacebird Nov 2013 #82

So...half the Democratic Party are DLC/Third Way? brooklynite Nov 2013 #159

I did not say that. You extrapolated that anyone who voted for her in '08 is DLC. peacebird Nov 2013 #186

lol. cali Nov 2013 #4

and I say you are wrong... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #6

hahhahahaha. Yeah, like I'll ever say I supported war mongering corporate Dirty Hilly cali Nov 2013 #8

Yeah well....economic ideals are not the ONLY ideals are they? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #19

No, but all dems who would potentially run are fine on social issues cali Nov 2013 #50

Says YOU! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #56

says the evidence. The gap between rich and poor is widening at an alarming rate cali Nov 2013 #58

and what does that have to do with this? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #67

my lack of concern? bwahahaha. I've posted more on abortion rights than any person here. cali Nov 2013 #76

YOU said there is ONLY ONE issue...economics. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #77

uh, no. I clearly said it was the most important issue, not the only issue. duh. cali Nov 2013 #80

And if the Republicans win....because of your "sensibilities"... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #86

oh for crap's sake. cali Nov 2013 #89

thats not an IF and you know it! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #93

let me guess DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #108

What are you even talking about...that is Sarah Palinesque Word Salad if I ever saw it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #113

You cannot be free to marry who you want DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #81

So people didn't get married during the Great Depression? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #104

less did DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #107

You forgot prowar. broiles Nov 2013 #22

So she supports EVERY war? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #57

Just about. broiles Nov 2013 #63

Yeah right....sure...whatever you say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #64

that too. cali Nov 2013 #59

Puking is something you probably do often. Your colors are more obvious than ever. Pisces Nov 2013 #54

say what? c'mon, spell it out, oh brave one. What are my "colors"? cali Nov 2013 #61

LOL, Corporate Hillary, when Obama has proven to be just as corporate. joshcryer Nov 2013 #130

uh, yeah. alas he is. cali Nov 2013 #134

Find the next challenger. joshcryer Nov 2013 #135

Oh, I have cali Nov 2013 #144

You have? Name them please. joshcryer Nov 2013 #167

"We" is too many people. Beacool Nov 2013 #156

here Bea! just for you; dionysus Nov 2013 #178

A wise owl, just what we need around here. Beacool Nov 2013 #179

i'll have the blood pressure machine and medication here if you need it dionysus Nov 2013 #180

Thank you, my friend. Beacool Nov 2013 #182

No "big bad wolf" - just corporate tool, not unlike Obama. polichick Nov 2013 #5

I think she's worse than Obama. Her coporate ties are even deeper cali Nov 2013 #9

She may be worse, but from day one after the election Obama has shown his true colors... polichick Nov 2013 #10

They are the twinsies. When they ran 'opposed' to each other, the only differences in policy were Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #11

OMG... people like you are why we lost the house in 2010 Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #14

Or possibly voters being sickened by corporate con artists is... polichick Nov 2013 #18

In which case...we get 2010 again and more Repubilcan obstruction and misery.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #21

Sure, once again give the corporate con artists a pass... polichick Nov 2013 #23

and your proposal to get the majority of Americans to support your theories? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #26

It's not my job to get anyone to support a theory... polichick Nov 2013 #28

and its also why you lose.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #29

Hello!!! The whole country loses when we elect corporate tools... polichick Nov 2013 #30

Helloo....you said you only care about your own "philosophy" not winning elections. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33

Where did I say that? Quote please. polichick Nov 2013 #34

Where did you say what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #36

You posted that I said I only care about my own philosophy - where? polichick Nov 2013 #37

right here... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #83

To you that says I only are about my own philosophy? LOL polichick Nov 2013 #85

Yes it does..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #87

I'm sure you will blame everybody but yourself for the serial failures of Conservative Democrats bvar22 Nov 2013 #25

and has Hillary said she opposed the New Deal? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #27

Then I guess Obama shouldn't have apologized about ACA. joshcryer Nov 2013 #132

ooh, yes. only hilly can save us. BULL. cali Nov 2013 #78

Sorry... that is not the reason Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #60

Sorry, but a lot of "thinking people" were flat-out sick of voting for con artists... polichick Nov 2013 #65

Now I get it Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #91

If old-fashioned Democratic values are too "lofty" for the party... polichick Nov 2013 #95

Admit it you want what you want NOW Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #110

Yes...please answer the question.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #118

I have to give up Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #125

You are welcome and yes I do understand...have come to the same conclusion VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #127

I'll forgive your ignorance this time. polichick Nov 2013 #120

All right little one Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #124

Hint: My use of the word "ignorance" in relation to your recent post... polichick Nov 2013 #126

apparently you will no longer be working for the party though VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #128

Actually that is still paraphrasing, but at least more accurate... polichick Nov 2013 #145

did you or did you not call them both Trojan Horse's? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #147

Good grief - READ! I just posted the exact quote. polichick Nov 2013 #148

Yes...I said exactly what you said.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #149

Actually, I used "Trojan" in reference to the "horses they road in on"... polichick Nov 2013 #150

Ok one more post Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #139

Correction: I didn't call you names... polichick Nov 2013 #146

'cept she voted against telecom immunity, stood firm on offshore drilling... joshcryer Nov 2013 #131

Remember when the Canadians were told that Obama didn't really mean it? Beacool Nov 2013 #155

Yup, Hillary voted AGAINST FISA-2008. joshcryer Nov 2013 #166

The money is already pouring in... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #7

Want silence? Submit Hillary/Warren ticket 2016. ffr Nov 2013 #13

Totally agree. Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #15

It's the racist angle with Obama. It's going to be the misogynist angle with Hillary. Rozlee Nov 2013 #16

Yes, and I'm sick of it. Beacool Nov 2013 #17

Funny that NOW you hate the attacks on Democrats... Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #31

It sure is turning me off! Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #49

Exactly, just like 2008. Beacool Nov 2013 #51

If we stuck together we'd have the cat in the bag! Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #92

Yes, but the extremes don't win national elections. Beacool Nov 2013 #97

That is the point I try to make Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #129

I just hope Bill Clinton understands this and thinks before he speaks because he makes it difficult Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #173

Who Can Do The Least Harm colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #24

My vote and my support will go to whoever best embodies these Traditional Democratic Values: bvar22 Nov 2013 #32

and you think you get to decide who is and who isn't a "Democrat" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #35

Wow, you're good at twisting other posters' words. polichick Nov 2013 #39

No you just don't like them thrown back at you... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #40

Nice try - too bad you can't come up with the quotes when pressed. polichick Nov 2013 #41

I never used quotation marks did I? Are you arguing you are going to vote against VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #44

Again, nice try. polichick Nov 2013 #47

Nice try what? I didn't quote you ...I paraphrased you... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #55

You don't "paraphrase" - you twist posters' words... polichick Nov 2013 #62

I paraphrased YOU....it has nothing to do with anyone else. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #66

What words are you "paraphrasing?" Quote please... polichick Nov 2013 #68

Prove it....Evidence to your claim! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #69

LOL - like I said, you got nothin'... polichick Nov 2013 #71

and that you aren't voting for her... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #74

paraphrase: VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #70

What about these Traditional Democratic Values prompt you to attack with such venom? bvar22 Nov 2013 #45

and which of those does Hillary oppose? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #72

You didn't answer the question. polichick Nov 2013 #75

I am a Democrat AND I always vote for the Democratic nominee... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #102

You still didn't answer the question. polichick Nov 2013 #103

What Question? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #115

Nice way of avoiding the question DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #111

I think I get to decide which Democrat is going to be the Democratic candidate Scootaloo Nov 2013 #53

Ditto - I've voted for the least of evils for the last time... polichick Nov 2013 #38

then why do you keep denying it when I say that you will be voting AGAINST VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #42

Where did I deny that? Quote please. (Oh yeah, you can't deliver.) polichick Nov 2013 #43

I am not saying you are denying it...I am saying YOU ARE voting against the apparent VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #46

Hey genius, there is no "apparent Democratic nominee." polichick Nov 2013 #48

Hey "genius" yes there is.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #90

bwahahahaha. yeah, she was the "apparent nominee" last go around cali Nov 2013 #88

She has WAY more "apparentness" now than then my friend... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #94

It seemed that way last time DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #112

this is not a "seemed" this is an IS...she demonstratively didn't have the support she has now... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #114

She was not destiny before DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #151

Do you NOT read polls? NO ONE has had this level of support this far out in our lifetimes... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #160

Do you not realize DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #162

Yes I do....but to say that Hillary is not by far the TOP contender VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #163

and here it comes from your bestest online blog...the Guardian... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #96

"my bestest blog"?? Man, you love just making stuff up. Not an admirable quality cali Nov 2013 #99

You did like the Guardian when GG was reporting there right? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #101

uh, sorry no. I've never been a big supporter of his. cali Nov 2013 #105

OHHHHH now not a fan of GG since he left Snowden high and dry? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #106

oh for fuck's sake: What part of "I've never been a fan of his" don't you get? cali Nov 2013 #109

this REAL Democrat...applauds your back pedal attempt. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #116

making up more stuff. try reality cali Nov 2013 #121

Never have.... but your deflection is duly noted. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #122

bwhahahahahahahahaha. I have to admire your bold faced cali Nov 2013 #136

and because I proved you wrong...you laugh? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #140

80 - 90% of ALL Democrats support her... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #141

and furthermore... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #98

lol. deja vu all over again. just like last time. love it. cali Nov 2013 #100

and we have all heard them before....so what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #117

The word you're looking for is "Puma" Scootaloo Nov 2013 #52

I respect my friend's here who don't like here but I love her. I hope they will support her if hrmjustin Nov 2013 #79

but why do you love her? I've posted why I don't love or support her cali Nov 2013 #84

I think she is the best qualified and I trust her. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #137

yikers. that is some weak sauce. cali Nov 2013 #142

On what issue? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #143

I truly do not want her as a candidate but I will support her if she is nominated. joshcryer Nov 2013 #133

I will happily support Warren or another if nominated. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #138

I've always been against HRC. (HRC, 10/2013: We need more "unity" in DC.) blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #119

Hmmm..let me think ... LOL ... I'm new, but my biggest worry is with a couple of the mantras here libdem4life Nov 2013 #123

2014 will be a bloodbath if the ACA is not functioning well within the next few months. Beacool Nov 2013 #154

Sadly enough, you are 100% correct! nt mimi85 Nov 2013 #165

as opposed to the GOP plan. DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #168

Why is it so difficult for Democrats to just support their candidate and not.... Walk away Nov 2013 #157

This............ Beacool Nov 2013 #161

Obama's supporters are not the ones attacking Hillary on DU. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #171

You're fucking kidding me!! This is the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever read!! Obama supporters Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #174

THIS!!! ^^^^^^^ Peacetrain Nov 2013 #176

What's not to like about Hillary Clinton? OnyxCollie Nov 2013 #158

Hillary: all corporate, all of the time. You want the Clinton Foundation? Fine. cali Nov 2013 #172

I think your comparison is weak and pathetic davidpdx Nov 2013 #169

ROFL.. Peacetrain Nov 2013 #175

If anyone is full of shit it's you davidpdx Nov 2013 #184

Nice way to talk .. Peacetrain Nov 2013 #185

You were the one making the accusations of attacks similar to those made against Obama davidpdx Nov 2013 #188

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #170

Obamas supporters werent running around claiming he was already the nominee... bunnies Nov 2013 #177

Excuse me, but neither is Hillary. Beacool Nov 2013 #181

Its right here in this thread... bunnies Nov 2013 #183

The Obama supporters during the primary did their own share of "beating down" Marrah_G Nov 2013 #187