2016 Postmortem

davidpdx

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169. I think your comparison is weak and pathetic

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:10 AM

Nov 2013

The group of supporters (whom will not be named) was rather large and attempted to smear Obama both during the primary, the general election, and after the election. In the real world there are two words for that: sore losers.

I see no concentrated effort to "beat down on Hillary and her running in 2016" (your words, not mine) like the aforementioned group that cooked up conspiracy theories. Those who have opposed her for logical reasons have had the word "hater" slapped on them even if they have provided constructive reasons why they oppose her. The get in line it's her turn meme didn't work in 2008 and won't work in 2012.

I've voiced my concern that we as a party have a wide range of candidates and that the nominee is not selected. Plenty of times I've said I will not vote for Clinton in the primary and stand by it. I'm willing (despite the claim that no other candidate can declare and raise money in time) to wait and see who actually runs. A novel concept isn't it?

So as for your scenarios, I'd be happy to tell you where to stick them.

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Ohhhh now Hillary is the big bad wolf.. [View all] Peacetrain Nov 2013 OP

don't think Mrs. Clinton will run but she is willing to take some of the heat :) Sunlei Nov 2013 #1

We're not going to rely on you for political prognostications, then! MADem Nov 2013 #152

Well, I was a Hillary supporter the last time around Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #2

I wholeheartedly agree Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #12

2014 is the BIG one Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #153

Yes it is! mimi85 Nov 2013 #164

The only difference is the threat level is so high it has made them start earlier than last time. Pisces Nov 2013 #3

Agreed... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #20

reliable few? baloney. And I have my opinion on who the trolls are cali Nov 2013 #73

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! DLC and third way "dems" would love her leading the ticket. peacebird Nov 2013 #82

So...half the Democratic Party are DLC/Third Way? brooklynite Nov 2013 #159

I did not say that. You extrapolated that anyone who voted for her in '08 is DLC. peacebird Nov 2013 #186

lol. cali Nov 2013 #4

and I say you are wrong... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #6

hahhahahaha. Yeah, like I'll ever say I supported war mongering corporate Dirty Hilly cali Nov 2013 #8

Yeah well....economic ideals are not the ONLY ideals are they? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #19

No, but all dems who would potentially run are fine on social issues cali Nov 2013 #50

Says YOU! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #56

says the evidence. The gap between rich and poor is widening at an alarming rate cali Nov 2013 #58

and what does that have to do with this? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #67

my lack of concern? bwahahaha. I've posted more on abortion rights than any person here. cali Nov 2013 #76

YOU said there is ONLY ONE issue...economics. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #77

uh, no. I clearly said it was the most important issue, not the only issue. duh. cali Nov 2013 #80

And if the Republicans win....because of your "sensibilities"... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #86

oh for crap's sake. cali Nov 2013 #89

thats not an IF and you know it! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #93

let me guess DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #108

What are you even talking about...that is Sarah Palinesque Word Salad if I ever saw it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #113

You cannot be free to marry who you want DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #81

So people didn't get married during the Great Depression? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #104

less did DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #107

You forgot prowar. broiles Nov 2013 #22

So she supports EVERY war? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #57

Just about. broiles Nov 2013 #63

Yeah right....sure...whatever you say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #64

that too. cali Nov 2013 #59

Puking is something you probably do often. Your colors are more obvious than ever. Pisces Nov 2013 #54

say what? c'mon, spell it out, oh brave one. What are my "colors"? cali Nov 2013 #61

LOL, Corporate Hillary, when Obama has proven to be just as corporate. joshcryer Nov 2013 #130

uh, yeah. alas he is. cali Nov 2013 #134

Find the next challenger. joshcryer Nov 2013 #135

Oh, I have cali Nov 2013 #144

You have? Name them please. joshcryer Nov 2013 #167

"We" is too many people. Beacool Nov 2013 #156

here Bea! just for you; dionysus Nov 2013 #178

A wise owl, just what we need around here. Beacool Nov 2013 #179

i'll have the blood pressure machine and medication here if you need it dionysus Nov 2013 #180

Thank you, my friend. Beacool Nov 2013 #182

No "big bad wolf" - just corporate tool, not unlike Obama. polichick Nov 2013 #5

I think she's worse than Obama. Her coporate ties are even deeper cali Nov 2013 #9

She may be worse, but from day one after the election Obama has shown his true colors... polichick Nov 2013 #10

They are the twinsies. When they ran 'opposed' to each other, the only differences in policy were Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #11

OMG... people like you are why we lost the house in 2010 Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #14

Or possibly voters being sickened by corporate con artists is... polichick Nov 2013 #18

In which case...we get 2010 again and more Repubilcan obstruction and misery.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #21

Sure, once again give the corporate con artists a pass... polichick Nov 2013 #23

and your proposal to get the majority of Americans to support your theories? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #26

It's not my job to get anyone to support a theory... polichick Nov 2013 #28

and its also why you lose.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #29

Hello!!! The whole country loses when we elect corporate tools... polichick Nov 2013 #30

Helloo....you said you only care about your own "philosophy" not winning elections. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33

Where did I say that? Quote please. polichick Nov 2013 #34

Where did you say what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #36

You posted that I said I only care about my own philosophy - where? polichick Nov 2013 #37

right here... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #83

To you that says I only are about my own philosophy? LOL polichick Nov 2013 #85

Yes it does..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #87

I'm sure you will blame everybody but yourself for the serial failures of Conservative Democrats bvar22 Nov 2013 #25

and has Hillary said she opposed the New Deal? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #27

Then I guess Obama shouldn't have apologized about ACA. joshcryer Nov 2013 #132

ooh, yes. only hilly can save us. BULL. cali Nov 2013 #78

Sorry... that is not the reason Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #60

Sorry, but a lot of "thinking people" were flat-out sick of voting for con artists... polichick Nov 2013 #65

Now I get it Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #91

If old-fashioned Democratic values are too "lofty" for the party... polichick Nov 2013 #95

Admit it you want what you want NOW Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #110

Yes...please answer the question.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #118

I have to give up Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #125

You are welcome and yes I do understand...have come to the same conclusion VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #127

I'll forgive your ignorance this time. polichick Nov 2013 #120

All right little one Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #124

Hint: My use of the word "ignorance" in relation to your recent post... polichick Nov 2013 #126

apparently you will no longer be working for the party though VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #128

Actually that is still paraphrasing, but at least more accurate... polichick Nov 2013 #145

did you or did you not call them both Trojan Horse's? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #147

Good grief - READ! I just posted the exact quote. polichick Nov 2013 #148

Yes...I said exactly what you said.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #149

Actually, I used "Trojan" in reference to the "horses they road in on"... polichick Nov 2013 #150

Ok one more post Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #139

Correction: I didn't call you names... polichick Nov 2013 #146

'cept she voted against telecom immunity, stood firm on offshore drilling... joshcryer Nov 2013 #131

Remember when the Canadians were told that Obama didn't really mean it? Beacool Nov 2013 #155

Yup, Hillary voted AGAINST FISA-2008. joshcryer Nov 2013 #166

The money is already pouring in... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #7

Want silence? Submit Hillary/Warren ticket 2016. ffr Nov 2013 #13

Totally agree. Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #15

It's the racist angle with Obama. It's going to be the misogynist angle with Hillary. Rozlee Nov 2013 #16

Yes, and I'm sick of it. Beacool Nov 2013 #17

Funny that NOW you hate the attacks on Democrats... Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #31

It sure is turning me off! Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #49

Exactly, just like 2008. Beacool Nov 2013 #51

If we stuck together we'd have the cat in the bag! Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #92

Yes, but the extremes don't win national elections. Beacool Nov 2013 #97

That is the point I try to make Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #129

I just hope Bill Clinton understands this and thinks before he speaks because he makes it difficult Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #173

Who Can Do The Least Harm colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #24

My vote and my support will go to whoever best embodies these Traditional Democratic Values: bvar22 Nov 2013 #32

and you think you get to decide who is and who isn't a "Democrat" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #35

Wow, you're good at twisting other posters' words. polichick Nov 2013 #39

No you just don't like them thrown back at you... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #40

Nice try - too bad you can't come up with the quotes when pressed. polichick Nov 2013 #41

I never used quotation marks did I? Are you arguing you are going to vote against VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #44

Again, nice try. polichick Nov 2013 #47

Nice try what? I didn't quote you ...I paraphrased you... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #55

You don't "paraphrase" - you twist posters' words... polichick Nov 2013 #62

I paraphrased YOU....it has nothing to do with anyone else. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #66

What words are you "paraphrasing?" Quote please... polichick Nov 2013 #68

Prove it....Evidence to your claim! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #69

LOL - like I said, you got nothin'... polichick Nov 2013 #71

and that you aren't voting for her... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #74

paraphrase: VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #70

What about these Traditional Democratic Values prompt you to attack with such venom? bvar22 Nov 2013 #45

and which of those does Hillary oppose? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #72

You didn't answer the question. polichick Nov 2013 #75

I am a Democrat AND I always vote for the Democratic nominee... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #102

You still didn't answer the question. polichick Nov 2013 #103

What Question? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #115

Nice way of avoiding the question DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #111

I think I get to decide which Democrat is going to be the Democratic candidate Scootaloo Nov 2013 #53

Ditto - I've voted for the least of evils for the last time... polichick Nov 2013 #38

then why do you keep denying it when I say that you will be voting AGAINST VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #42

Where did I deny that? Quote please. (Oh yeah, you can't deliver.) polichick Nov 2013 #43

I am not saying you are denying it...I am saying YOU ARE voting against the apparent VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #46

Hey genius, there is no "apparent Democratic nominee." polichick Nov 2013 #48

Hey "genius" yes there is.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #90

bwahahahaha. yeah, she was the "apparent nominee" last go around cali Nov 2013 #88

She has WAY more "apparentness" now than then my friend... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #94

It seemed that way last time DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #112

this is not a "seemed" this is an IS...she demonstratively didn't have the support she has now... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #114

She was not destiny before DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #151

Do you NOT read polls? NO ONE has had this level of support this far out in our lifetimes... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #160

Do you not realize DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #162

Yes I do....but to say that Hillary is not by far the TOP contender VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #163

and here it comes from your bestest online blog...the Guardian... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #96

"my bestest blog"?? Man, you love just making stuff up. Not an admirable quality cali Nov 2013 #99

You did like the Guardian when GG was reporting there right? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #101

uh, sorry no. I've never been a big supporter of his. cali Nov 2013 #105

OHHHHH now not a fan of GG since he left Snowden high and dry? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #106

oh for fuck's sake: What part of "I've never been a fan of his" don't you get? cali Nov 2013 #109

this REAL Democrat...applauds your back pedal attempt. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #116

making up more stuff. try reality cali Nov 2013 #121

Never have.... but your deflection is duly noted. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #122

bwhahahahahahahahaha. I have to admire your bold faced cali Nov 2013 #136

and because I proved you wrong...you laugh? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #140

80 - 90% of ALL Democrats support her... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #141

and furthermore... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #98

lol. deja vu all over again. just like last time. love it. cali Nov 2013 #100

and we have all heard them before....so what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #117

The word you're looking for is "Puma" Scootaloo Nov 2013 #52

I respect my friend's here who don't like here but I love her. I hope they will support her if hrmjustin Nov 2013 #79

but why do you love her? I've posted why I don't love or support her cali Nov 2013 #84

I think she is the best qualified and I trust her. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #137

yikers. that is some weak sauce. cali Nov 2013 #142

On what issue? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #143

I truly do not want her as a candidate but I will support her if she is nominated. joshcryer Nov 2013 #133

I will happily support Warren or another if nominated. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #138

I've always been against HRC. (HRC, 10/2013: We need more "unity" in DC.) blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #119

Hmmm..let me think ... LOL ... I'm new, but my biggest worry is with a couple of the mantras here libdem4life Nov 2013 #123

2014 will be a bloodbath if the ACA is not functioning well within the next few months. Beacool Nov 2013 #154

Sadly enough, you are 100% correct! nt mimi85 Nov 2013 #165

as opposed to the GOP plan. DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #168

Why is it so difficult for Democrats to just support their candidate and not.... Walk away Nov 2013 #157

This............ Beacool Nov 2013 #161

Obama's supporters are not the ones attacking Hillary on DU. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #171

You're fucking kidding me!! This is the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever read!! Obama supporters Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #174

THIS!!! ^^^^^^^ Peacetrain Nov 2013 #176

What's not to like about Hillary Clinton? OnyxCollie Nov 2013 #158

Hillary: all corporate, all of the time. You want the Clinton Foundation? Fine. cali Nov 2013 #172

I think your comparison is weak and pathetic davidpdx Nov 2013 #169

ROFL.. Peacetrain Nov 2013 #175

If anyone is full of shit it's you davidpdx Nov 2013 #184

Nice way to talk .. Peacetrain Nov 2013 #185

You were the one making the accusations of attacks similar to those made against Obama davidpdx Nov 2013 #188

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #170

Obamas supporters werent running around claiming he was already the nominee... bunnies Nov 2013 #177

Excuse me, but neither is Hillary. Beacool Nov 2013 #181

Its right here in this thread... bunnies Nov 2013 #183

The Obama supporters during the primary did their own share of "beating down" Marrah_G Nov 2013 #187