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2016 Postmortem

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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:55 AM Nov 2013

Debunking the SILLY right wing meme that "Today, Kennedy would be a Republican." [View all]

It is just incredible. The right wing is just SILLY. They are so insanely jealous, I guess, of America's enduring love of Kennedy, as very personally flawed as he was, that they are actually trying to co-opt him. The TeaPublicans are OFF THE RAILS IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE SENSE OF THE WORD.

Here is how you can fire back if you, as I did, run into some modern TeaPublican who tries to say that "Kennedy was 'conservative' and today would be a Republican."

* First, conservative Republicans and DixieCrats of the time did not like Kennedy. The reason he went to Texas was to try to heal rifts with Southern Democrats there with Johnson's help, but it was going to be a very uphill battle. **The remaining old DixieCrats and their offspring are now hardcore Republicans.

* Kennedy used Marshals and the National Guard to integrate the Southern universities. Conservatives HATED this.

* Kennedy was very sympathetic to the civil rights movement in other ways, very progressive for the times which conservatives hated.

* Kennedy was for very robust investment in public education and saw a strong federal role in it, he expanded the space program tremendously, and he was for very robust investment in transportation infrastructure and other major national investments including HEALTHCARE which conservatives opposed and would oppose today. He favored activist government and a strong federal role in society, very unlike today's TeaPublicans and conservatives of his time.

* Yes, he saw tax cuts as ONE part of an economic program, but tax cuts weighted to the middle class just like Clinton and OBAMA.

* While he was strong on defense, he was also measured in his approaches. Remember, it was the height of the Cold War. Of course he was going to be strong on defense at that time. But during the Cuban Missile Crisis, for example, he resisted the conservative militarist push to bomb and invade immediately, going with the measured blockade approach and negotiation, including a pledge to take missiles out of Turkey as part of the deal. Conservatives would have bombed and invaded Cuba.

* Kennedy and his family were STAUNCH and LOYAL DEMOCRATS, and he took the Republicans to task very strongly time and again. The Republican establishment did not like Kennedy at all. They and their base really despised him and his charisma. However, he would have won re-election in a landslide with strong liberal and moderate Democratic support and strong independent support, not with a whole lot of Republican help.







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Kennedy is the reason the Right Wing created the Ronald Reagan myth liberal N proud Nov 2013 #1
Yes..Before him, they had to "borrow" past democrats..Remember the awesome Lloyd Bentson response to whathehell Nov 2013 #30
He was also for universal healthcare .... Scuba Nov 2013 #2
If Republicans want to model themselves after Kennedy, I can live with that. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #3
A product of his times - TBF Nov 2013 #4
Also Robbins Nov 2013 #5
Kennedy would have bombed and invaded if the Russians didn't blink. Invasion was ready to go. BUT, RBInMaine Nov 2013 #12
We have no way to know for sure what he would've done if the Russians didn't blink Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #26
Today's Republicans NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #13
OMG...The anti-historical, anti-intellectual nature of the GOP is getting absolutely 1984-ish. whathehell Nov 2013 #6
Well, it's very debatable if he was more progressive than BC or BO, but he was progressive. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #11
I'm sorry, but I doubt most would find it debatable at all.. whathehell Nov 2013 #16
None of those you mention could ever win a national election. Sorry, but you're pipe dreaming. And, RBInMaine Nov 2013 #31
Yeah, that's what Bill Clinton, and many others, said about Obama in '08.. whathehell Nov 2013 #32
Kennedy did a lot of shitty things to fellow Democrats, Arkana Nov 2013 #7
Such as? whathehell Nov 2013 #18
Well, his family donated to Richard Nixon's Senate campaign Arkana Nov 2013 #20
Okay, but that's only one thing, and as you said, he later regretted it. whathehell Nov 2013 #23
Not as pro-union as you might like: Arkana Nov 2013 #24
Maybe not, but that still translates whathehell Nov 2013 #28
You're gonna try logic and fact with the repiggies? rock Nov 2013 #8
I don't expect them to listen. But they do "hear" it, and it makes them squirm. So I have fun. :-) RBInMaine Nov 2013 #14
The successful Kennedy said "Success has a thousand fathers, defeat is an orphan." nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #9
Ask them if they want to go back to JFK's "Republican" tax rate? NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #10
Yes, I'm sure they'd LOVE that, Lol...By the way, he did that ONLY with the provision that whathehell Nov 2013 #19
Hell, Ike would be a Democrat for sure. Lasher Nov 2013 #15
Republicans must not really think much of themselves and their *leaders* Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #17
They have a simple mindset... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #21
Repukes can only wish they had a JFK Carolina Nov 2013 #22
That top tax rate was 90%, Kennedy cut it to 70% Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #25
Tell them to read Goldwater's last speeches HockeyMom Nov 2013 #27
They like to pretend the same thing about Truman. yellowcanine Nov 2013 #29
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