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whathehell

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16. I'm sorry, but I doubt most would find it debatable at all..
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:06 PM
Nov 2013

Anyone who knows anything about the traditional democratic party -- the party of FDR and the New Deal and what they have

always stood for -- would know that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are, at best, VERY conservative democrats, certainly

NOT progressive. Thom Hartmann has come out and said that Republican President Eisenhower was more liberal than PBO,

and I believe he is correct.

BC and BO are good on SOCIAL issues, which, as I like to remind people, do not COST anything.

On economic issues, they've basically not much better than republicans, imo, and that is quite significant

considering that those issues affect ALL OF US -- Black, White, Latino, Male, Female, Gay and Straight.

Traditional Democrats ALWAYS stood with Labor...Unlike them, BC ran a "right to work" state in Arkansas,

and did little, if anything for workers in this country. One might even say he hurt workers by allowing the H1-B

visas to continue, and by backing NAFTA. PBO has completely ignored The Employee Free Choice Act ('card check&quot

as he did the Labor uprisings in the Midwest states like Wisconsin and Ohio, again, after taking

campaign contributions from unions....He's presently locked in secret "trade" talks like the Trans Pacific Partnership,

which its many opponents have labeled "NAFTA on Steroids" -- It's a HORRIBLE deal for workers and even the

basic sovereignity of this country. It amounts to dismantling our democracy for Corporate Rule.


These last two presidents are, basically moderate republicans, IMO...Lots of us are hoping to do better in '16

with people more resembling Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Sherrod Brown and Alan Grayson.

THEY are Progressive Democrats -- the rest, not so much...

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Kennedy is the reason the Right Wing created the Ronald Reagan myth liberal N proud Nov 2013 #1
Yes..Before him, they had to "borrow" past democrats..Remember the awesome Lloyd Bentson response to whathehell Nov 2013 #30
He was also for universal healthcare .... Scuba Nov 2013 #2
If Republicans want to model themselves after Kennedy, I can live with that. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #3
A product of his times - TBF Nov 2013 #4
Also Robbins Nov 2013 #5
Kennedy would have bombed and invaded if the Russians didn't blink. Invasion was ready to go. BUT, RBInMaine Nov 2013 #12
We have no way to know for sure what he would've done if the Russians didn't blink Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #26
Today's Republicans NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #13
OMG...The anti-historical, anti-intellectual nature of the GOP is getting absolutely 1984-ish. whathehell Nov 2013 #6
Well, it's very debatable if he was more progressive than BC or BO, but he was progressive. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #11
I'm sorry, but I doubt most would find it debatable at all.. whathehell Nov 2013 #16
None of those you mention could ever win a national election. Sorry, but you're pipe dreaming. And, RBInMaine Nov 2013 #31
Yeah, that's what Bill Clinton, and many others, said about Obama in '08.. whathehell Nov 2013 #32
Kennedy did a lot of shitty things to fellow Democrats, Arkana Nov 2013 #7
Such as? whathehell Nov 2013 #18
Well, his family donated to Richard Nixon's Senate campaign Arkana Nov 2013 #20
Okay, but that's only one thing, and as you said, he later regretted it. whathehell Nov 2013 #23
Not as pro-union as you might like: Arkana Nov 2013 #24
Maybe not, but that still translates whathehell Nov 2013 #28
You're gonna try logic and fact with the repiggies? rock Nov 2013 #8
I don't expect them to listen. But they do "hear" it, and it makes them squirm. So I have fun. :-) RBInMaine Nov 2013 #14
The successful Kennedy said "Success has a thousand fathers, defeat is an orphan." nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #9
Ask them if they want to go back to JFK's "Republican" tax rate? NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #10
Yes, I'm sure they'd LOVE that, Lol...By the way, he did that ONLY with the provision that whathehell Nov 2013 #19
Hell, Ike would be a Democrat for sure. Lasher Nov 2013 #15
Republicans must not really think much of themselves and their *leaders* Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #17
They have a simple mindset... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #21
Repukes can only wish they had a JFK Carolina Nov 2013 #22
That top tax rate was 90%, Kennedy cut it to 70% Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #25
Tell them to read Goldwater's last speeches HockeyMom Nov 2013 #27
They like to pretend the same thing about Truman. yellowcanine Nov 2013 #29
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