2016 Postmortem

U of M Dem

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76. I don't think anyone here disagrees

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:50 PM

Nov 2015

That republicans are an enemy of democracy. What I vehemently disagree with is allowing republicans with a "D" after their name to enable the ever rightward bound republicans while playing at handing out social policy candy in order to create a smokescreen to protect their hawkish views and neoliberal economic policy. Aka Hillary Clinton.

There are plenty of people out there in direct opposition to the power hungry establishment machine that HRC champions.

In my opinion, the goal for the politically inclined should not be to 'just get along' and find consensus in order to defeat the greater of two evils, this is democracy for fucks sake. I want a system of governance that represents me.

DU is a place for discourse not dismissal of differing viewpoints. If you truly believe that discussion of politics outside of the MSM/Beltway/neoconservative fantasyland is good for democracy than don't encourage others to self-censure and not discuss their political options here. That is the very definition of undemocratic and is disgraceful.

Have an opinion? I fully encourage you to share, even if I disagree. Go ahead and reply. That is democracy at work friend

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DU is becoming an example of what is wrong with our political system [View all] randr Nov 2015 OP

What an absolutely sane and rationale op. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #1

Actually, what's rational is to see what's playing out on DU is what's happening within the party. RiverLover Nov 2015 #11

I couldn't agree with you more RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #21

I agree. RiverLover Nov 2015 #25

Believe me, you don't want that DFW Nov 2015 #143

I've watched and participated here for 3 Pres. primaries and DU is never reflective of what BootinUp Nov 2015 #141

Yes, you are right, we all have one objective; to keep the GOP hands off lewebley3 Nov 2015 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #2

Oh, good, yet another one of this kind of OP. I just can't get enough of them. merrily Nov 2015 #3

Thanks for confirming my suspicions randr Nov 2015 #10

Whatever that means, you're welcome. I'm fricking tired of people telling adults how to post. merrily Nov 2015 #18

This is the time to dissect the candidates and what they stand for! artislife Nov 2015 #130

I love the way they bring in Nader too, who never ran in a Democratic primary in his life. merrily Nov 2015 #132

And now I find out there is no Third Way!! artislife Nov 2015 #134

Really? That's a new one! No Third Way, no triangulation? Somebody should spread the word. merrily Nov 2015 #135

the failure of the Democrats ibegurpard Nov 2015 #4

Truer words were never spoken. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #8

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #9

This is incorrect and blatantly so mythology Nov 2015 #16

nope ibegurpard Nov 2015 #17

When someone says both are the same, they just lost the argument. liberal N proud Nov 2015 #83

They're not the same but the Democratic leadership is now moderate Republican cui bono Nov 2015 #121

I usually stay away from these threads, but I gotta ask DFW Nov 2015 #142

Yes. Immoral activities such as organized lying (punishable only when under oath), Cal33 Nov 2015 #119

^^That right there^^^ onecaliberal Nov 2015 #52

Well said. nt Zorra Nov 2015 #63

Amen! Hepburn Nov 2015 #114

Maybe the liberals are with the flowers... cui bono Nov 2015 #122

I think we should vigorously vet our candidates so they are prepared for the general election Dem2 Nov 2015 #5

Where to begin? Doubledee Nov 2015 #6

Political parties do not have a pure ideological Gman Nov 2015 #7

NO. What's wrong is CORRUPTION...bribery and corruption Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #12

Even little people can control their words. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #29

This is 'merika! Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #85

We do not have a "clear distinctive ideology" but rather have two factions ... Scuba Nov 2015 #13

Absolutely! Great post!! RiverLover Nov 2015 #15

+1000 Punkingal Nov 2015 #19

Again the is blatantly false mythology Nov 2015 #23

Wrong ... The Third Way Democrats have predominated party apparatus Trajan Nov 2015 #26

And this is plain to see as the nose on my face. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #59

oooh. wrong Doctor_J Nov 2015 #109

Absolutely not. cui bono Nov 2015 #124

This (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #27

Oh, bullshit. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #31

So you deny the Third Way is real? Wow, you Hillary supporters are really in denial. Scuba Nov 2015 #32

It is clear as hell that Third Way is an invention by ideologues to make a clear separation Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #35

Try decaf. Scuba Nov 2015 #37

Try ginseng. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #47

Try harder. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #118

So pithy! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #126

I'm sorry that you aren't informed on this subject. RiverLover Nov 2015 #38

.. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #51

I'm surprised you're working this hard for Hillary, since basically, you called her a fool. RiverLover Nov 2015 #53

Holy crap. You expect me to follow you down this tangent? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #56

I didn't expect that. No. RiverLover Nov 2015 #62

I am not anti-GMO. Neither am I "working" for Hillary. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #64

that one can support someone without being in lock step agreement on everything treestar Nov 2015 #95

I had totally forgotten this. Thanks. Duval Nov 2015 #67

Traditional politics? Citizens United is not traditional politics fbc Nov 2015 #50

You say... AOR Nov 2015 #68

You can not be more full of crap. plus5mace Nov 2015 #88

.. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #89

You cut and pasted that you are wrong and do not care. plus5mace Nov 2015 #91

*snort! nt artislife Nov 2015 #133

+1 treestar Nov 2015 #94

Wow. You deny that the Third Way exists? cui bono Nov 2015 #125

Bernie Sanders is just fine. I like him a lot. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #127

Third Way is common knowledge and is not a smear. cui bono Nov 2015 #136

"Third Way" is an historical "fact" as is nazism or Stalinism. And, as it is used ... Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #137

That is not a fact, it is a figment of your imagination. cui bono Nov 2015 #138

You continue to argue against a point I am not making. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #139

Exactly fbc Nov 2015 #45

Yep! Thespian2 Nov 2015 #66

That seems like something the Don would like to tackle. randr Nov 2015 #96

Thanks for your opinion... Thespian2 Nov 2015 #110

Couldn't have put it better! FiveGoodMen Nov 2015 #77

There is a decidedly un-American group of powerful, wealthy Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #90

"... to restore Democracy and solve our myriad of problems we must ..." Scuba Nov 2015 #103

^^^^ THIS!!! ^^^^ cui bono Nov 2015 #123

I agee with your overall tone. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #14

We are not vetting a damn thing CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #39

Fully disagree that it isn't vetting. It is exactly what it is. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #40

But you are not vetting when you do things like this: Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #86

Yes, it absolutley is no matter how you would define vetting. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #87

We need fresh thinking firebrand80 Nov 2015 #20

I dunno. RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #24

Our political system is corrupt and does not serve the people. Skwmom Nov 2015 #22

The people will never be served randr Nov 2015 #97

Before you do that, better take care of one thing DFW Nov 2015 #144

The OP describes what DUers as a group are and always have been: dysfunctional Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #28

No, Jimmy Carter is a saint zalinda Nov 2015 #57

Did you stand in defense of Carter when he was hatefully impugned during the TPP conversations? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #72

I would have zalinda Nov 2015 #105

Some people focus on fighting Republicans, others fight their owners dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #30

Voters in a demcracy are supposed to scrutinize candidates who want their vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #33

Well stated randr Nov 2015 #98

most of what I have to say about your post olddots Nov 2015 #34

The difference between Clinton and Sanders is what it is all about randr Nov 2015 #99

There is no "we" possible with those who stand on the wrong side of the line... AOR Nov 2015 #36

Great post! MoonRiver Nov 2015 #41

you sure put in a lot of time at an irrelevant site ibegurpard Nov 2015 #42

It's a 13 year habit. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #46

I completely disagree. fbc Nov 2015 #43

Any group that shows up in numbers gets what they want randr Nov 2015 #102

You have that backwards. fbc Nov 2015 #104

Primary season exists for that reason, in party brawling to choose a candidate. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #44

And so many Dems are planning on voting against their own self interests Broward Nov 2015 #48

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Very interesting. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #70

Thank you. This makes your side look so good and inviting. bravenak Nov 2015 #73

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #78

I Think you think people harassing me and stalking me and sending me evil letters bravenak Nov 2015 #84

He's flagged for review, bravenak. longship Nov 2015 #100

Thank you. bravenak Nov 2015 #101

fyi - Results of Jury hardluck Nov 2015 #106

And thank you too! bravenak Nov 2015 #107

SMH, more making friends and influencing people stevenleser Nov 2015 #108

You see this? bravenak Nov 2015 #111

It's funny how things work around here. n/t hootinholler Nov 2015 #74

There is a failure in zentrum Nov 2015 #54

You said it just fine. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for Nay Nov 2015 #92

The DNC 'leadership' helped create this monster LettuceSea Nov 2015 #55

I do not completely agree Jarqui Nov 2015 #58

Both parties are splintered. DU is a great example of how splintered is the D party. Hiraeth Nov 2015 #60

Preach it brother/sister lark Nov 2015 #61

Yeah, there is a division and the more we go Duval Nov 2015 #65

How does the poster feel about the 88 "democrats" that just voted for racial discrimination? fbc Nov 2015 #71

I am, as most Americans are, disgusted by the vote. randr Nov 2015 #115

Hear, hear NotHardly Nov 2015 #75

I don't think anyone here disagrees U of M Dem Nov 2015 #76

Good post Politicub Nov 2015 #79

You can't transform what was once a populist party into a party that represents the interests of... raindaddy Nov 2015 #80

The primatish tendency to inject one's internal angst and existential fear into the dialogue byronius Nov 2015 #81

Amen! MrScorpio Nov 2015 #82

I just love to complain about complaining . olddots Nov 2015 #93

Doesn't it seem strange that red states pass minimum wage increases and scorn the party-- eridani Nov 2015 #112

It is the failure to define these "values" this is the problem randr Nov 2015 #116

We're facing barbarians at the gate seeking to push civilization off into the abyss. baldguy Nov 2015 #113

k and r. Stuart G Nov 2015 #117

No! THIS is the time for the family fight! demwing Nov 2015 #120

Bullshit. 99Forever Nov 2015 #128

If you mean right wingers infiltrating everywhere, I agree. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #129

The policies of Hillary Clinton '16 are like that of a moderate Republican, but as we all know . . Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #131

LOL, you want drones showing total blind support? Fuck that! nt Logical Nov 2015 #140

"Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness" DFW Nov 2015 #145