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cinnabonbon

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20. sorry, I feel a rant coming. I get the feeling I'm preaching to the choir, though.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jan 2014

Those are good points and I think we agree. No one can choose their gender, and saying that trans people can do that is offensive. (And worse, it can fuel the horrible "if you can choose your gender it means it's just a phase, go to the shrink and you'll soon feel better about the gender God chose for you" thing.)

As for whether or not people internalize their male privilege, would you agree with me if I said that I believe it relies on the person?

A person that is able to transition early obviously has a different experience than those who try to live as the wrong gender, because it's expected of them, and then forty years later they finally come out to their families. The latter is going to cling to gender roles because they believe they have no choice, and is scared of being found out. They might also subconsciously internalize a lot of harmful patriarchal ideas (just like cis women and men do when they're raised in conservative families). Whereas someone who transitions early will be met with transphobic awfulness at unexpected turns, and not really get to benefit from, say, male privilege because this society is openly hostile to people who doesn't fit into the binary.

But both of these people will have been trans all along, and they have both been hurt by transphobic attitudes in their lives, no matter how early they transition. If we're going to talk about privilege and oppression, it's really important to keep that in mind and not just focus on whether they have male privilege or not.

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I agree that trans women has a place in feminism cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #1
I don't think that is a huge issue, is it really? Is it just a personal anecdote? boston bean Jan 2014 #4
It became a problem in one of the groups I used to be in. So just an adecdote. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #5
"Trans women may not have it during periods of female presentation" Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #2
I think maybe you misread the context and the author is saying what you have said. boston bean Jan 2014 #3
That is what the sentence means cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #6
there are two problems with this: Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #14
Warren, I think the writer meant before transition. boston bean Jan 2014 #17
sorry, I feel a rant coming. I get the feeling I'm preaching to the choir, though. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #20
maybe I'm being oversensitive and looking for worst possible interpretations Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #22
No, it's understandable cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #23
PS cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #12
we do our best. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #15
It is much easier to accept yourself cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #16
Trans women might get male privilege in some cases gollygee Jan 2014 #7
I only have anecdotal experiences of a friend ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #8
Passing is so important cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #13
I agree ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #19
It upsets me that we live in a world MadrasT Jan 2014 #18
Yes. I agree so much with what you're saying. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #21
While I'm at it here are radical Transfeminist tumblers ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #9
Thanks for the Tumblr recs! Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #11
Great article. redqueen Jan 2014 #10
Very thought-provoking article about a subject that, for the most part, is utterly foreign to me. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #24
Insignificance - Talk about driving a truck thru a loophole One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #25
There is also cis-privilege, if you think about it. Dash87 Jan 2014 #26
That is covered in depth in the article as well. boston bean Jan 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Jan 2014 #28
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