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BainsBane

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40. Do you mean the part about gay and heteronormative?
Tue Jan 28, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jan 2014

For example, someone recently posted a thread about the homophobic policies in Russia. A poster made a really offensive remark, under the excuse of quoting George Carlin, "more p...y for me." The only way homosexuality creates "more p...y" for him is by ignoring the fact gay women exist. People may use the term "gay" to refer to men, but LGBT and heteronormative are not supposed to mean men only. But the fact is for many they do.

I've noticed that when I post something related to women, I occasionally get accused of being heteronormative because whatever I've written doesn't account for gay men. In some cases these are straight men who hate seeing anything that focuses on women and invoke the term heteronormativity as an excuse for why women don't matter. In others, there is a simple assumption that gay, LGBT, and heteronormativity means gay male homosexuality. I see that on the part of both gay and straight men. It is sometimes used to shut down discussions of and even legitimate sexism. Someone expresses concern about some form of exploitation against women, whether rape, domestic violence, or porn, they are accused of being heteronormative. In all of these cases, women are the subjects/objects about 90% of the time, and men about the other 10%. That 90% of women includes both gay and straight. That a woman is raped by a man or is the object of male-female porn does not mean she is straight. That I post about women doesn't mean I don't know or care that men are also victims. Rather, I have an interest in women's issues, and since I'm a woman that is my own experience. The charge of heteronomativity in such circumstances assumes homosexuality itself is about gay men exclusively, as though lesbians don't exist or aren't included in general discussions of women, something I never assume.

The problem is some men cannot abide the fact that anyone but themselves be the center of focus. Their sense of privilege is so absolute, the existence of issues that concern another gender is entirely trivial. What these people really are saying is that you are talking about women, who aren't worth shit. We don't want to hear about it so keep your second-class trap shut. That message is louder on the internet that anywhere else.

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to the best of my knowledge that is not true in my relationships, but then I hollysmom Jan 2014 #1
I've only experienced a bit of this in real life BainsBane Jan 2014 #2
the brush seems overly broad here geek tragedy Jan 2014 #3
Considering the author is himself a gay man BainsBane Jan 2014 #4
very possibly, but i'm always suspicious of cultural pieces that geek tragedy Jan 2014 #5
It's not just based on television footage. nt redqueen Jan 2014 #6
How do they know the women are straight? BainsBane Jan 2014 #10
obviously gay men can be sexist and practice sexism, I certainly geek tragedy Jan 2014 #16
And so can lesbians. pnwmom Jan 2014 #22
I don't think the author is accusing all gay men of acting this way. pnwmom Jan 2014 #18
I'm really glad to see this. redqueen Jan 2014 #7
I knew that already, but the article is a very good read. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #8
why can't human beings treat other human beings with a modicaum of respect, a tiny amount Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #9
Every geoup has its jerks, but please do not blame everyone in a group for the actions of uppityperson Jan 2014 #11
Firstly, the author is a gay man. He isn't blaming anyone. BainsBane Jan 2014 #12
Are you saying all gay men are misogynistic? Or that it is a "cultural tendency" of gay men to uppityperson Jan 2014 #13
No, I am saying we live in a sexist, racist and homophobic culture BainsBane Jan 2014 #14
Thanks for the clarification. Bigotry is so ingrained many do not recognize it most of the time. uppityperson Jan 2014 #15
Yes! There is this view that gay people are too enlightened to be sexist, pnwmom Jan 2014 #20
Where are you getting that? That's not what the poster is saying, or the article in the OP. pnwmom Jan 2014 #27
Who is extrapolating this to the whole group? It's written by a gay man pnwmom Jan 2014 #19
Start by looking at the title of the thread. "gay male subculture". uppityperson Jan 2014 #23
I guess we're reading that differently. I read that as "a subculture of the larger gay community." pnwmom Jan 2014 #25
Even if it did, that is not the same as saying "all gay men are misogynsits" BainsBane Jan 2014 #26
Do you know why this article got locked in GD? n/t pnwmom Jan 2014 #17
It looks like the OP was PPR'd BainsBane Jan 2014 #21
infovirio, here is their profile link. uppityperson Jan 2014 #24
FWIW, if anyone is interested, it was a caver uppityperson Jan 2014 #34
I see the poster was. Not the writer of the article, though, pnwmom Jan 2014 #36
I agree, just thought some might be interested in seeing who posted that and was banned uppityperson Jan 2014 #37
I was going to say that the resistance to discussing this issue is bizarre. redqueen Jan 2014 #28
Behavior like this is why I spend virtually no time in the LGBT group here. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #29
That whole situation is disturbing. redqueen Jan 2014 #30
The entire incident was disturbing. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #32
I'm glad you spoke out, I remember that situation and believe you had support from other women seaglass Jan 2014 #31
Yes. I had support from other women, Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #33
I've heard that many lesbians feel unwelcome there BainsBane Jan 2014 #35
How do you mean? I thought f/m terminology had split into xommon useage of uppityperson Jan 2014 #39
Do you mean the part about gay and heteronormative? BainsBane Jan 2014 #40
yes, thank you. That post was jury hidden, 6-0 as it should have been.It was both uppityperson Jan 2014 #41
Actually the post I'm thinking of wasn't hidden BainsBane Jan 2014 #42
It is also not a safe place for children of gays to post on sensitive issues. pnwmom Jan 2014 #38
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