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Straw Man

(6,886 posts)
40. No "duh" needed.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:08 PM
Mar 2013

The M1 Garand has a fixed magazine. The magazine is an integral part of the receiver, but it is still a magazine. Any receptacle that holds rounds in the firearm, ready for delivery into the chamber by the cycling of the action, is by definition a "magazine." That is Firearms 101. (A semantic exception may be made for revolver cylinders, since each round contained therein is actually already in a "chamber," whether or not that chamber is aligned with the barrel.)

The Garand magazine technically holds only seven rounds, since insertion of an en bloc clip of eight rounds automatically closes the action, feeding one round into the chamber and leaving seven in the integral fixed magazine. Since the integral magazine contains only seven rounds, it is not considered a "large capacity ammunition feeding device" in NY State.

The question of whether a fully-loaded eight-round en bloc Garand clip is a "feeding device" has yet to be determined in NY State. The latest word from the state police is that it is not considered a "detachable magazine," so the Garand is not an "assault weapon." But the fact remains that if an en bloc clip is deemed to be a "feeding device," then possessing one loaded with eight rounds would be illegal as long as it is outside the rifle, but legal once it is inserted into the rifle.

It is clear that the drafters of this legislation did not consider the M1 Garand. If they had, they would have addressed these issues.

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I Am A Firearms Owner. [View all] Ikonoklast Mar 2013 OP
isn't it funny that the anti-regulation folks all say they fear the Govt. will know their address Vincardog Mar 2013 #1
I fear that the NRA will do far more damage to lawful ownership of firearms that any other group. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #2
it's a lunatics idea. here's why samsingh Mar 2013 #4
i've been trying to explain that to the gun fuckers, but they're insistent.. frylock Mar 2013 #8
and yet many will support a 'mental health' registry that is open to the public for review samsingh Mar 2013 #13
I would have agreed with you at one time Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #28
great post. thank you. samsingh Mar 2013 #3
Excellent post. I tend to draw the line at carrying guns in public, particularly in cities. Hoyt Mar 2013 #5
I'm a Buckeye, ex-Conneticut via the Western Reserve of Ohio. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #6
DURec. bvar22 Mar 2013 #7
Fee? Just as long as it wasn't punitive, covering the cost of paperwork and administration, nope. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #9
A Fee that YOU don't see as punitive, bvar22 Mar 2013 #15
I believe that can be taken care of, no reason a few dollars should keep anyone from their rights Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #30
Questions...you are in a somewhat unique, but certainly not rare situation.. jmg257 Mar 2013 #10
You should do some research..... rdharma Mar 2013 #11
They are not "arguments", they are about real-life gun owners dealing with reasonable restrictions jmg257 Mar 2013 #12
Like I said........ do some research rdharma Mar 2013 #14
The Garand has a fixed capacity magazine greater then 7 rounds. jmg257 Mar 2013 #16
fixed capacity magazine greater then 7 rounds rdharma Mar 2013 #17
But the GUN is illegal to buy. It has a fixed capacity magazine greater then 7. jmg257 Mar 2013 #18
No it doesn't ......... rdharma Mar 2013 #19
It does. Like an SKS, it has a fixed capacity magazine, often charged jmg257 Mar 2013 #20
Does anyone really care? ellisonz Mar 2013 #21
Depends if anyone wants to buy an M1 or SKS I guess. jmg257 Mar 2013 #22
I don't think the OPs pop even cares that much. ellisonz Mar 2013 #24
Well, he hasn't responded, so maybe. No doubt we need better control. jmg257 Mar 2013 #29
You are concerned about the availability of doc03 Mar 2013 #36
I am not really concerned as I am not affected, and don't plan on being so. jmg257 Mar 2013 #37
The NRA went nuts with the arrival of LaPiere, I quit doc03 Mar 2013 #38
Yes, some people care. Crepuscular Mar 2013 #25
Why do you care? ellisonz Mar 2013 #27
Get a five round en-block...... problem solved. rdharma Mar 2013 #23
IF a gun with a fixed mag greater then 7 is illegal, then it is NOT jmg257 Mar 2013 #26
The M1 Garand does NOT have a fixed magazine! rdharma Mar 2013 #31
I hear you..but I very strongly disagree. Eta jmg257 Mar 2013 #32
"the clip is fed into the receiver, not a magazine" rdharma Mar 2013 #33
'Duh' on my part...tried finding it...no magazine listed as a part for an M1. jmg257 Mar 2013 #35
No "duh" needed. Straw Man Mar 2013 #40
Thanks for your take on it. jmg257 Mar 2013 #41
Hey - just as interesting wrap-up... jmg257 Mar 2013 #39
I have owned a gun - in the country, for shooting rattlesnakes only. freshwest Mar 2013 #34
My grandmother always used a brick wyldwolf Mar 2013 #42
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