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Hortensis

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165. Agree! OP, honorable people don't use dishonest spin

Fri May 17, 2019, 11:45 AM

May 2019

purveyed by swiftboating specialists. Biden did nothing wrong here, and that's been well hashed over. Maintaining friendly relations with conservatives, who constitute half our nation's citizens, is a point of competence.

You must have honest reasons you could present to oppose Biden, and if you don't what the hell are you doing? Smearing Paul Wellstone, who was friendly with Republicans, like Trent Lott (!), virtually every day of his working life? Because that is how it's done.

Btw, since you're interested in Biden and cancer, how about the Biden Cancer Initiative and the Cancer Moonshot efforts to gather forces and focus their efforts "to end cancer as we know it" that VP Biden committed himself to after his elder son died? Cancer Moonshot was formed to develop vaccine-based immunotherapies for cancer, and research is on. I should warn you, I suppose, that a whole pack of pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies are involved. Please don't mistake those connections for corruption.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Disqualifying: Biden gave paid speech supporting repuke in 2018 [View all] wellst0nev0ter May 2019 OP

If Sanders had done this, there would be such wailing and gnashing of teeth... aidbo May 2019 #1

Well, legally speaking, a sitting rep can't do this, and he's been a career politician for decades. ehrnst May 2019 #42

I don't see any issue with taking the fee. The bigger issue to me... thesquanderer May 2019 #327

That's an issue I have with Our Revolution ehrnst May 2019 #330

RE: "Anyone who supports them is complicit in that." thesquanderer May 2019 #341

I don't know of anyone that I would support 100% ehrnst May 2019 #351

Not necessarily bashing, but for example... thesquanderer May 2019 #355

I'm talking about POTUS candidates, not organizations. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #417

No, you were talking about "Our Revolution" thesquanderer May 2019 #418

I was talking about candidates, and that their support of certain orgs would be a ehrnst May 2019 #419

Nonstop. 24 hrs a day. Hassin Bin Sober May 2019 #43

You know it!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #50

Biden didn't endorse Upton. However, Sanders did endorse anti-abortionist Heath Mello still_one May 2019 #80

So, Biden taking a $200k paid speech to help elect an anti choice Republican is better.. aidbo May 2019 #110

This is the laughable false framing that is prefacing Bernie's R B Garr May 2019 #131

$200k didn't have anything to do with it? Why didn't he do it for free then? aidbo May 2019 #150

This contrived umbrage is very obvious. Bernie's groups R B Garr May 2019 #161

I take no umbrage that Biden took.. aidbo May 2019 #251

Reality is your hypocrisy is on full display. Those are Bernie talking points R B Garr May 2019 #272

Hiring people who supported non-dems is not the same... thesquanderer May 2019 #325

LOL, it's worse, since you are knowingly and intentionally R B Garr May 2019 #328

+1000. ehrnst May 2019 #332

Supporting orgs and PACs that trash Democrats is also a deal breaker in my book. ehrnst May 2019 #331

Why didn't he endorse the Democrat in this hard fought race, or even take the phone calls pnwmom May 2019 #403

What other Democrats endorsed him? Do you have proof R B Garr May 2019 #405

He gave a speech for him weeks before the election, and refused to endorse the Des pnwmom May 2019 #402

I get it pnwmom, you don't like Biden, and I suspect you won't vote for him in the primary, and still_one May 2019 #406

I get it that you don't want to acknowledge that he's anything less than the perfect candidate. n/t pnwmom May 2019 #409

Not at all, Biden's made plenty of mistakes in his career, but on most issues he has still_one May 2019 #410

Since Warren was raised in Oklahoma, I keep wondering why Biden pnwmom May 2019 #412

Elizabeth Warren most people should know her when she was an advisor during the financial crisis, still_one May 2019 #421

Yes there would wailing because it's illegal. George II May 2019 #271

Sneaky or clever? I can't decide. NurseJackie May 2019 #278

What Democrat will he bash this time around? katmondoo May 2019 #352

try sticking to the topic at hand. aidbo May 2019 #381

Please, we're not allowed to talk about what Sanders has fone Nuggets May 2019 #408

Stop, just stop. we can do it May 2019 #2

YES YES STOP!!! Am I shouting YESSSSS!! Thekaspervote May 2019 #117

Agree! OP, honorable people don't use dishonest spin Hortensis May 2019 #165

Sorry, but you are going too far here. Vidal May 2019 #3

He helped a repuke win an election wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #5

Exactly!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #55

BS hired senior campaign staff who voted for Jill Stein and encouraged others to do so as well. lapucelle May 2019 #157

Thank you. The OP is dishonest swiftboating😡 we can do it May 2019 #194

This only makes sense wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #196

It makes sense no matter who you are supporting. lapucelle May 2019 #273

What is "dishonest" about it? whathehell May 2019 #245

If BrieBrie's candidate loses again, I wouldn't be surprised to see more of the same. lapucelle May 2019 #268

whataboutBernie excuses Biden? shanny May 2019 #224

Nothing excuses what BS did. lapucelle May 2019 #256

"to you" shanny May 2019 #259

We all only speak for ourselves... lapucelle May 2019 #267

For some, the "Bernie standard" applies ONLY to Bernie, not to any other candidate, including Biden. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #258

+1 shanny May 2019 #260

Good example... there are so many other examples I could cite, as I'm sure you could too. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #266

BS hired Stein endorsers as campaign manager, press secretary, and senior campaign advisor. lapucelle May 2019 #269

This thread isn't about Bernie wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #279

please see post #325 thesquanderer May 2019 #326

Hiring people who bitterly, gleefully & very publicly endorsed a 3rd party candidates in 2016 lapucelle May 2019 #333

So, why is there a different standard for Bernie?! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #54

What "different standard"? Examples please. George II May 2019 #78

What "different standard" is there for Bernie that isn't ehrnst May 2019 #234

He supported a Republican over a member of his own party. Demit May 2019 #4

What if it was Bernie who had done this... just imagine!! Oh boy, look out!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #68

Push em back! Push em back! BannonsLiver May 2019 #187

Riiiiight! Justifying different standards for Bernie... ooookay!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #257

Rah! Rah! Sis-boom-bah! BannonsLiver May 2019 #262

He might as well have - Sanders (not a Democrat at the time) supported a pro-life candidate.... George II May 2019 #288

He didn't support a republican. He simply thanked Upton for supporting a bipartisan bill.... George II May 2019 #109

In the middle of a campaign. In which he conspicuously declined to endorse the Democrat Demit May 2019 #158

The author of the Vice hit piece in the OP link recommended 3rd party voting in 2016. lapucelle May 2019 #275

You mean this satirical piece wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #277

The piece sings Stein's praises and links to a laudatory profile and to her campaign website, lapucelle May 2019 #295

Bernie openly bashes Democrats all the time including President Obama Thekaspervote May 2019 #119

This is whataboutism. Whatever Bernie does has nothing to do with what Biden did. Demit May 2019 #151

I am replying to post #68 Thekaspervote May 2019 #162

Well, you actually replied to post #4. Demit May 2019 #172

Then why are people on this thread bringing up Bernie on his behalf in whataboutisms themselves? themaguffin May 2019 #232

Don't ask me. I'm not on either of their cheerleading squads. Demit May 2019 #236

Ok. I only asked you because you called out whataboutism. themaguffin May 2019 #239

I did. It's a stupid rebuttal no matter who it's trying to defend. Demit May 2019 #242

When your son dies of brain cancer, maybe you support someone who FailureToCommunicate May 2019 #6

Biden supported someone who voted to take away MY healthcare wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #7

Okay. But I do hope you'll support in the general whomever is the nominee. FailureToCommunicate May 2019 #9

This isn't a purity test wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #16

He said something nice about him Dream Girl May 2019 #61

During a speech in a closely contested race wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #104

BS needs to have a little chat with his press secretary lapucelle May 2019 #173

Do you see my signature? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #175

No doubt about that... vote blue, no matter who!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #70

I may be wrong but it doesn't appear the OP will support the nominee BannonsLiver May 2019 #188

Well, that's why I said "hope" FailureToCommunicate May 2019 #238

He didn't endorse him for office, if that's what you're implying. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #53

Seriously... and I spose the Democratic candidate wouldn't support cancer research?! Doubt that!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #57

HE isn't hiding behind his son's memory. You are acting as though he's an agent in this hit job, emmaverybo May 2019 #303

Still kicking this old story, I see. elleng May 2019 #8

Actually, it hasn't been discussed wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #11

Has been discussed here plenty. elleng May 2019 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #23

Yes discussed over and over Thekaspervote May 2019 #122

This has even discussed at least twice Demsrule86 May 2019 #321

As I said it has been discussed...here are three...took me two minutes to find. Demsrule86 May 2019 #322

Oh they just never give up ... old story indeed Thekaspervote May 2019 #121

That never stops old Bernie stories from being repeated over and over and over again... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #287

His affection for Upton is in part because of the Republican's work to support the cancer research hlthe2b May 2019 #10

Upton voted to repeal Obamacare wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #12

Never said he didn't. But one sided discussions are dishonest. hlthe2b May 2019 #73

The way you framed it wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #107

Now that is disingenuous as hell and you know it. hlthe2b May 2019 #130

Is this not what you wrote? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #137

It is what has been REPORTED word for word... hlthe2b May 2019 #143

His praise being genuine does not make it any better wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #198

Yes, Thanks elleng May 2019 #15

Biden refused to endorse Upton's Democratic opponent, who went on to lose by less than 5%. Demit May 2019 #26

Upton, Dingell, Brooks, & Deutch Reintroduce Gun Violence Reduction Bill: the Jake Laird Act Vidal May 2019 #13

He also twice voted to repeal DC's gun laws wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #20

'Upton is a good guy.' Celerity May 2019 #97

Are you saying you won't support him if he wins the nomination? Kaleva May 2019 #17

Unlike Biden, I'm a pragmatist wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #18

So this doesn't actually disqualify him then. Kaleva May 2019 #92

Disqualifies him from my primary vote and yours n/t wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #125

None of the Dem candidates are disqualified in my opinion. Kaleva May 2019 #155

This is still primary season. It's not a time to assume anyone will be the nominee. Demit May 2019 #27

Hit the nail! at140 May 2019 #64

The reality is no candidate this primary is disqualified. Kaleva May 2019 #101

I don't support all the Dem candidates. That would be weird. Demit May 2019 #170

I didn't say I'm rooting for all to win Kaleva May 2019 #177

I support their right to vie for the nomination too. Demit May 2019 #185

Will you vote for Biden revmclaren May 2019 #19

See post above wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #21

Well, since you have such high convictions about revmclaren May 2019 #29

Are you talking about Bernie Sanders? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #30

Hmmm... TCJ70 May 2019 #33

I'll be looking forward to seeing your undecided status change to supporting revmclaren May 2019 #41

Another strategy I've noticed is "Don't make the candidate talk about actual issues, Autumn May 2019 #89

So your answer is yes then. One must keep revmclaren May 2019 #37

Blind partisan hatred is destroying this country; I hope for something better LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #22

Stupidly supporting repukes is destroying this country wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #28

You mean like hiring staff that are known for opposing Democrats? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #47

Why do you assume I support Bernie? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #56

No, I didn't assume that about you. ehrnst May 2019 #63

But they aren't frontrunners wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #205

Maybe we're not thinking of the same other POTUS candidates. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #233

Once again, he did NOT "support" Upton, he spoke about Upton's help in getting.... George II May 2019 #49

Upton tried to repeal Obamacare wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #59

And vilifying him for doing so says more about the attacker's character than Biden's, IMO LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #66

The repetitive attackers. LakeArenal May 2019 #114

Yup! Thekaspervote May 2019 #128

Thank you. shanny May 2019 #386

You're welcome wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #390

This has been posted several times in the past couple of months. People should dig into..... George II May 2019 #24

It was used in Upton's campaign advertising wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #25

Yes, he knew what he was doing. It wasn't a campaign event. George II May 2019 #34

Biden supported a repuke who voted to repeal Obamacare wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #38

So you would not vote for Biden if he is the eventual nominee? cwydro May 2019 #44

He didn't endorse the Democrat running against Upton. That's what's worth digging into. Demit May 2019 #35

In that case, dig away. George II May 2019 #52

I don't have to. The boosters for whom he can do no wrong should, though. Demit May 2019 #67

This is a intentional distortion and misrepresentation, and the OP knows it. still_one May 2019 #40

From the NYT article wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #46

I stand by what I said, and if you think this kind of distorted trash is helping Sanders, the polls still_one May 2019 #69

Why do you people assume I support Sanders? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #129

You nailed that one!! Thekaspervote May 2019 #134

Perhaps you missed this: ehrnst May 2019 #31

It's true wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #36

If Republican approval of a Democrat is disqualifying... ehrnst May 2019 #45

Republicans approved Upton's challenger? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #51

No, that wasn't what I was talking about. ehrnst May 2019 #60

Who are you referring to, specifically? Demit May 2019 #93

No, I wasn't talking about Lieberman. ehrnst May 2019 #98

Republicans use Democrats against Other Democrats wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #102

GOP dark money superpacs spend lots of money doing that. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #139

Nope. nt Tipperary May 2019 #32

So do I. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #39

Regardless of The relationship Joe has(d) with Upton, the timing of the speech was questionable Raven123 May 2019 #48

Why he would think he can work with the GOP better than Obama is a GREAT question to ask. Demit May 2019 #254

zzzzzzzzzz EveHammond13 May 2019 #58

First of all, welcome to DU wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #62

zzzzzzzzz EveHammond13 May 2019 #65

Why did you vote "Supporting another candidate anyway" but claim you are Undecided? RelativelyJones May 2019 #71

Good catch, and good question LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #72

Like I said, undecided, multiple "nopes" wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #94

So the speech wasn't really the deal breaker then, lapucelle May 2019 #296

Do you think that somehow "undecided" is the same as shanny May 2019 #388

!!!!!! LakeArenal May 2019 #81

Biden was never my first choice wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #82

Your choice. RelativelyJones May 2019 #91

You have two dozen other choices in the Primary, so big deal Hekate May 2019 #195

No, I'm not stupid wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #206

LOL. busted. EveHammond13 May 2019 #160

The OP is a Sanders supporter BannonsLiver May 2019 #192

How am I a sander's supporter wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #203

I wondered and asked. The OP said Sanders is not in their top 3...unless they are being disingenuous RelativelyJones May 2019 #235

That appears to be the case. BannonsLiver May 2019 #240

Indeed it does. RelativelyJones May 2019 #241

Show proof or stand down wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #248

Stand down? BannonsLiver May 2019 #261

Another useless rant from a supporter of someone in disguise NYMinute May 2019 #74

Still undecided, pal wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #84

Enquiring minds want to know. RelativelyJones May 2019 #95

Biden's certainly at the top of the "nope" list wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #99

Ok, who's on your list of preferred candidates? Have you made an argument why they are the best RelativelyJones May 2019 #112

Warren, Booker, Harris wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #120

Fair enough, all great candidates. Then why not make an argument for them instead of this strangely RelativelyJones May 2019 #132

I'm not fully in support of either of the candidates wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #249

It certainly has effect on us "undecideds." earthshine May 2019 #179

By a 2:1 margin, based on the poll in the OP NYMinute May 2019 #230

It's obvious that you didn't understand my post. Too busy typing to read, eh? earthshine May 2019 #237

I guess we need to look elsewhere for an absolutely perfect candidate flyingfysh May 2019 #75

And he'd certainly be under attack as someone polling in the lead... ehrnst May 2019 #79

Jesus is perfect because he's fictional. LakeArenal May 2019 #83

Perhaps you mean his deification is fictional? elias7 May 2019 #178

Yes. No such thing as divinity. LakeArenal May 2019 #181

Pretty heavy. Now we're needing definitions. elias7 May 2019 #310

It's a serious debate; I hold with the the "legendary" position, in that there was likely one LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #191

There are better candidates than Biden out there wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #86

That maybe, but are they electable? The polls so far say no Thekaspervote May 2019 #138

Shocking investigative info.... LakeArenal May 2019 #76

Unlike Upton wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #87

Only because he had brain cancer. LakeArenal May 2019 #96

So McCain would have voted against Obamacare wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #100

Get over the hyperbole. LakeArenal May 2019 #103

There's nothing wrong with being friends with members of the other party. Demit May 2019 #106

OMG again. I have actually supported the Republicans locally. LakeArenal May 2019 #118

Hopefully their policies align with you views wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #123

Some don't. That's how it's supposed to work LakeArenal May 2019 #133

Both Lieberman and John Edwards wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #142

18 points. Double digits. Since he announced. LakeArenal May 2019 #159

So you'd support Lieberman and Edwards if they're frontrunners? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #164

That's really dumb. LakeArenal May 2019 #174

Let me know when you're the former VP of the party contemplating a run for president Demit May 2019 #176

Part of Joe Biden's success is his ability to reach across the aisle democratisphere May 2019 #77

How many repukes voted for Obamacare? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #90

Another "Biden not pure" thread LibFarmer May 2019 #85

God forbid Democrats exercise some standards wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #88

The standard that Biden exercised here is that of a decent human being. That you have such a LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #105

Then why didn't he campaign with Upton's Democratic opponent? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #108

I don't know, but that doesn't change my statement LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #111

Do Decent Human Beings vote to repeal the ACA? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #124

Biden didn't do that, so your question is dishonest. That the person he was decent to LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #126

It does reflect on his decisionmaking wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #146

Only in a positive way, unlike your own position, IMO. LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #152

Decent humans support cancer research. Glad to see the R B Garr May 2019 #144

Do decent people vote to repeal the ACA? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #148

Your whole premise is contrived. Biden was appreciative R B Garr May 2019 #153

Agreed with what you have posted but trying to present facts MarcA May 2019 #135

Yes, I know it can be a fruitless effort for some corners wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #140

Yes, it is craziness if you are backing someone that is not electable Thekaspervote May 2019 #141

standards. like booing Hillary at our Convention on national tv. #Standards EveHammond13 May 2019 #163

I question the standards a post like this shows. To me, a lack of them. emmaverybo May 2019 #304

And they're not winning many converts either. BannonsLiver May 2019 #263

LOL! Bernie's group Justice Democrats, et al, openly support Republicans R B Garr May 2019 #113

Who says I support Bernie? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #115

lol R B Garr May 2019 #116

It's easier to dismiss you if they label you a Sanders supporter. N/t TCJ70 May 2019 #171

No, it's just that such bilious attacks are ususally associated with a particular campaign; so LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #182

Thank you wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #219

Nah, but it is easier to see the true motivation. BannonsLiver May 2019 #200

Interesting that there's a call out for giving a paid speech... brooklynite May 2019 #127

And a speech about cancer. Cancer. R B Garr May 2019 #136

A speech for a Republican in a tight race wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #154

Nope: a speech to a business group. That the candidate was there was incidental. brooklynite May 2019 #167

The speech wasn't "for a Republican". This laughable false framing R B Garr May 2019 #168

I don't give two hoots about Bernie wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #193

Biden gave a speech appreciative of cancer funding. It wasn't R B Garr May 2019 #270

No matter what you say, the Repukes think differently wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #276

You keep misrepresenting. The article you linked to is not NYT. It's Vice, R B Garr May 2019 #300

The repuke congressman campaigned on Biden's speech wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #301

Biden gave a speech about cancer research. Here are the Sanders staffers who voted third party: R B Garr May 2019 #305

When Biden's additional tax returns are released soon we'll see what he did with the $150,000.... George II May 2019 #302

#fakenews ! stonecutter357 May 2019 #145

Exactly! Very fack. R B Garr May 2019 #149

Can't imagine caring Loki Liesmith May 2019 #147

Water under the bridge. Joe's not perfect, but neither am I. Laelth May 2019 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #166

That is just ludicrous.. Biden heads up the Cancer Initiative.. Peacetrain May 2019 #169

Oh goodie the new disqualifying meme is here. BannonsLiver May 2019 #180

"Joe wears sunglasses! Why is he opposed to solar energy?!?" LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #183

Disqualified!1!1!!!! BannonsLiver May 2019 #184

It's disqualifying to praise someone for sponsoring a key cancer research bill???? andym May 2019 #186

It's disqualifying to praise someone wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #189

IMHO, praising someone who accomplished some good, for the good that they did andym May 2019 #222

He didn't say anything about Upton's efforts to repeal ACA wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #225

My point goes beyond the implications for that particular election and is far more general andym May 2019 #297

Post removed Post removed May 2019 #190

Hear, hear! BannonsLiver May 2019 #197

Support Democrats, Don't Undermine Them wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #199

"Support Democrats, Don't Undermine Them" Downtown Hound May 2019 #201

Yeah, from the crowd who says "Vote Blue, No Matter Who" wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #202

for THIS we are gonna re elect trump? seriously? samnsara May 2019 #204

There are better fighters than Biden n/t wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #207

im not convinced samnsara May 2019 #252

Some hope for that if they can't have purity. BannonsLiver May 2019 #208

This goes beyond purity wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #211

Righhhhht BannonsLiver May 2019 #214

I swear, only Democrats do this to themselves wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #215

Thank God you're here to show us the way. BannonsLiver May 2019 #217

First Rule: Always Support Democrats wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #218

Glad to see you coming around. BannonsLiver May 2019 #220

Second Rule: Shun Those That Break First Rule wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #223

Right on! BannonsLiver May 2019 #226

Ummhmmm sheshe2 May 2019 #298

And so is Matt Longjohn, the Dem challenger wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #299

Did I miss the primary? Aren't we still choosing a general candidate? n/t TCJ70 May 2019 #210

Haven't you heard? Joe's the presumptive candidate wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #212

Couldn't care less. BlueTsunami2018 May 2019 #209

Wish Joe could've followed your advice wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #213

Still supporting him. bearsfootball516 May 2019 #216

Who cares. Polly Hennessey May 2019 #221

This stupid poll is Bernie supporters trying to discredit Joe calguy May 2019 #227

Point to where I'm a Bernie supporter wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #228

I just finished replying to a Bernie post shouting "disqualifying" and found that good sense emmaverybo May 2019 #229

But that would prevent virtue signaling and purity displays. BannonsLiver May 2019 #231

I am suspicious. Two DISQUALIFYING posts this morning, one upon the other, against Bernie emmaverybo May 2019 #246

The others were responses to this terrible OP. BannonsLiver May 2019 #247

You've got the order reversed...This one was posted, then a different poster... TCJ70 May 2019 #253

So this was a backatcha. It probably should be removed as well. All DISQUALIFIED postings emmaverybo May 2019 #264

No. This one (about Biden) was first. N/t TCJ70 May 2019 #265

I was corrected on that by two other members who said Bernie post was first. So I am still emmaverybo May 2019 #285

Mine was first wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #291

Solves that. nt emmaverybo May 2019 #292

Well...I only posted in one of the Bernie threads. TCJ70 May 2019 #306

Not a disqualifier in my book PBC_Democrat May 2019 #243

What has Biden gotten away with? mcar May 2019 #244

He was for forced birth before he was against it, for one wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #250

This is weak sauce. beaglelover May 2019 #255

Harry Cheadle, the author of the Vice hit-piece in the OP link, recommended 3rd party voting in 2016 lapucelle May 2019 #274

The piece is clearly satirical wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #280

No it isn't. lapucelle May 2019 #281

Any reasonable person who reads the quote you cited wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #283

Oh that Harry! lapucelle May 2019 #293

This further proves you're not interested in a good faith discussion wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #294

Alternately, perhaps the Harry Cheadle Vice hit piece you linked to is "satitical". lapucelle May 2019 #282

This is cringeworthy wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #284

Maybe you can add a voting option that reads: lapucelle May 2019 #289

He doesn't mock Stein. lapucelle May 2019 #286

... wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #290

You were done when you created the push poll still_one May 2019 #307

Brilliant, lapucelle! I was just looking up Harry and also saw he has a definite bias R B Garr May 2019 #309

And the gaslighting didn't work. lapucelle May 2019 #311

The OP is an epic fail. BannonsLiver May 2019 #312

And that one vote was from someone who was supporting Harris (not Biden) on May 10. lapucelle May 2019 #313

Yes, the gaslighting and shaming didn't work. R B Garr May 2019 #314

Attacking the candidate who has the biggest backing wasupaloopa May 2019 #308

"paid speech supporting rebuke" betsuni May 2019 #315

It doesn't help for me especially with the rest of his record JonLP24 May 2019 #316

You support a man who refused to get a job when his son was on Welfare LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #317

This is new information but I looked into it I don't have any issues with it JonLP24 May 2019 #318

Here: LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #319

He noticed with that 4% he did well in Burlington so ran for Mayor of Burlington JonLP24 May 2019 #320

It definitely looks bad loyalsister May 2019 #323

you change my mind about Biden ...... stonecutter357 May 2019 #324

Talk about bashing Democratic figures...complete with a poll !!! With friends like this.....nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #335

"With Friends Like These" wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #336

So fucking what with this OLD NEWS. Not interested and neither are the people who don't follow UniteFightBack May 2019 #338

We'll see how irrelevant it is wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #343

Oh yeah I'm sure we'll have plenty of time on the debate stage for everybody to say their piece.... UniteFightBack May 2019 #345

Someone will have to say it, if they want to be the candidate wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #347

If Biden wins the primary, saidsimplesimon May 2019 #329

I personally want a fighter for the Democratic candidate wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #337

I'm so sick of people and their bullshit dealbreakers when the country is burning down around them. UniteFightBack May 2019 #334

Didn't say I'll vote against him in the general wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #339

Yeah sharp elbows worked out great in 2016 huh? This is DIFFERENT....don't you get that? nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #342

This year will be worse. Look at the field. wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #346

Biden: "You will not hear me speak ill of another Democrat." OP are you listening? Doodley May 2019 #340

Me neither...I have not trashed other Dems in this forum...there is no reason for it...even UniteFightBack May 2019 #344

Not sure why you bring up Sanders wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #349

I repeat: wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #348

You give reasons to support Biden, because he"s happy to say when a lawmaker supports something good Doodley May 2019 #392

And that same lawmaker uses that praise wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #399

Fine. If you prefer to divide, carry on. Biden is a unity candidate as was Obama. You are welcome to Doodley May 2019 #400

Yes, I won't undermine a Democrat in favor of a repuke wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #401

You already have done. By saying Biden should be disqualified, you give succor to Trump supporters. Doodley May 2019 #411

So don't criticize Democrats wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #413

The OP loathes Biden BannonsLiver May 2019 #350

Final warning. wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #353

A good faith discussion? BannonsLiver May 2019 #354

Agreed LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #356

You Have Yet To Disprove The Contents wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #357

So not interested in a "good faith" discussion then. BannonsLiver May 2019 #358

Totally opposite of what I said wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #359

What am I supposed to "disprove"? BannonsLiver May 2019 #360

Biden gave a speech wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #361

Okay BannonsLiver May 2019 #362

Why don't you give a fuck? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #363

Well BannonsLiver May 2019 #364

Funny wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #367

Yes, it is. BannonsLiver May 2019 #368

Think you mean this: wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #369

Why bring Killer Mike into this? BannonsLiver May 2019 #370

Try again wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #371

Try what again? BannonsLiver May 2019 #373

Try editing your post again wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #376

I see no need for that. The choice was appropriate. BannonsLiver May 2019 #379

Probably because he, like me, is not offended by people behaving as decent human beings LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #365

Voting to repeal ACA is not decent wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #366

Which he did not do. He made a speech to a business group, and praised the cancer support work of LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #372

You clearly misread what I said wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #374

And that you find evil in Biden saying nice things about someone, anyone, is reprehensible LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #375

It's really sad actually. BannonsLiver May 2019 #377

I feel like I need a shower just for replying LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #383

Really ugly nasty stuff meant to divide BannonsLiver May 2019 #384

All they have is their hate LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #385

Then don't wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #391

Biden gave a repuke campaign material wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #378

Like Biden, I refuse to lower myself to the level of the other side. LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #380

Playing smart is not "lowering yourself" wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #382

Is it by the individual response, or letter , or complete sentence? Peacetrain May 2019 #387

I just wanted to get a pulse from the Biden backers wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #389

Now that your question has been answered, perhaps you can answer mine. lapucelle May 2019 #393

I doubt people are worried about something that didn't happen, R B Garr May 2019 #396

His speech was written in repuke literature wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #398

More things that didn't happen. Now you're fabricating about R B Garr May 2019 #407

Try re-reading my post again wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #414

You should take your own advice and not embellish content, R B Garr May 2019 #416

You don't have to reply, you know wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #420

Biden wasn't there for his campaign so he didn't give R B Garr May 2019 #394

What a desperate fabrication. Biden didn't give him "campaign material" R B Garr May 2019 #395

I agree wiht you. should have been self delete just as you said. (my ipinion) trueblue2007 May 2019 #397

This is disturbing. I know he's friends w/Repubs, but this was going too far. nt Honeycombe8 May 2019 #404

Huh. welivetotreadonkings May 2019 #415

Sorry that happened to you wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #422

FYI: George II May 2019 #423

I doubt the OP would have any problem with that. BannonsLiver May 2019 #424

Can you read the signature? wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #425

What signature? BannonsLiver May 2019 #426

It's like talking to a wall. wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #427

What is? BannonsLiver May 2019 #428

Holy moly melman Jan 2020 #429