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Eko

(9,441 posts)
35. Nice job!
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:02 PM
Mar 2025

Great work reading through that, it wasn't easy.
But,

Social Security spending is considered mandatory spending, not discretionary spending, meaning it's funded by permanent appropriations and not subject to annual congressional approval like discretionary spending.


Page 13 makes it clear this is about discretionary spending.

SEC . 1112. With respect to any discretionary account4
for which advance appropriations were provided for fiscal5
year 2025 or 2026 in an appropriations Act for fiscal year6
2024, in addition to amounts otherwise made available by7
this division, advance appropriations are provided in the8
same amount for fiscal year 2026 or 2027, respectively,9
with a comparable period of availability.

And.
The SSA's administrative costs, including salaries and benefits for federal employees and state employees at disability determination services, are funded through discretionary spending, which requires annual congressional approval.


So dump could indeed cut off the pay of SS employees but he cant shut it down.

If Social Security loses discretionary spending, the Social Security Administration (SSA) would face significant challenges in maintaining its current level of service, potentially leading to hiring freezes, furloughs, field office closures, limited service hours, and delays in IT modernization, all of which could negatively impact beneficiaries


While continued stoppage of the employees pay would most likely stop services down the road dump taking away the discretionary amount still leaves the SS admin open. Closing it down would be immediate. In the meantime while the discretionary part is taken away SS still works yet at a decreased rate and all hell would break out in the US. So, no , what he can do with the CR is way different that in a shutdown. But I have to give you major props for doing all that work. Having this kind of discussion with someone willing to do the work it entails is a sheer delight and helps me learn a lot of things and I 100% applaud you for doing so.
Thanks and Keep in keeponing.
Eko.



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You feel better that trump will now have more unchallengable power to mess with your SS???? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #1
You don't think it's a good thing that Chuck has managed to secure Social Security for our time? Lancero Mar 2025 #3
Schumer has not done that... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #5
ONE Democratic vote for the CR makes the party "enablers and collaborators"? OilemFirchen Mar 2025 #17
And 10 for cloture. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #18
No one gives a shit about that. OilemFirchen Mar 2025 #21
It will definitely be used against Dems. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #22
Nope. OilemFirchen Mar 2025 #30
Members of our Party have voted with the repubs. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #34
2, counting Angus King, who caucuses with us. Shaheen was the other Yes on the actual bill, and she is retiring so Celerity Mar 2025 #24
King is not a member of the Democratic Party. OilemFirchen Mar 2025 #26
He caucuses with us (which I said). Without King/Sanders caucusing with us, we wouldn' have had control of the Senate Celerity Mar 2025 #31
And what would have happened if the government shut down? mcar Mar 2025 #20
It would not have stopped them, it would have stopped the Democratic Party... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #33
I think the joke went over your head... regnaD kciN Mar 2025 #27
It sounds like they feel better that dump will have less power than if a shutdown happened. Eko Mar 2025 #4
He will not have less power, the CR grants him power that even the Constitution reserved for Congress. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #6
And a shutdown will allow dump to decide what is essential and non-essential. Eko Mar 2025 #8
Which he could do anytime he wants to with an emergency declaration. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #10
An emergency declaration can let him shut down federal angencies? Eko Mar 2025 #11
Doesn't matter, he now has the full authority to do that through the CR, backed by Democratic Party votes. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #12
What you said is not true. Eko Mar 2025 #13
Ha! Yeah, get back to me when the agencies start closing down. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #15
Why dont you just show me where the CR allows dump to close down agencies? Eko Mar 2025 #16
By transferring Congress's Constitutional control of spending to trump, he can defund any agency he wants to. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #23
Here is where the CR says funds to SS continue. Eko Mar 2025 #25
Starting on page 14, line 4 Think. Again. Mar 2025 #32
Nice job! Eko Mar 2025 #35
Yes, over-riding the Congressional authority over spending is why the CR is considered unconstitutional. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #36
I 100% agree. Eko Mar 2025 #37
Without it's "discretionary" spending, the agency will not last long.... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #38
Once again I 100% agree. Eko Mar 2025 #39
Unfortunately, the option of a 30 day CR developed by the House was ignored by schumer, and so here we are. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #40
Yup. Eko Mar 2025 #41
The courts would side with trump per the CR unless and until the CR is successfully challenged first. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #42
I agree. Eko Mar 2025 #43
always grateful for the replies that show up as numbers instead of posts bigtree Mar 2025 #2
#7 bigtree Mar 2025 #9
The largest bank in NY city gab13by13 Mar 2025 #7
If the government shuts down, much of it might not reopen. nt Comrade Citizen Mar 2025 #14
Probably the same parts of it that trump will close with the power of the CR. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #19
The House was working on a 30 day CR gab13by13 Mar 2025 #29
Bahahahahahahaha! BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #28
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