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H2O Man

(76,682 posts)
54. Okay.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:05 PM
Saturday

" But you and I know this war will not have any real victors and that, once it is over, we will have to go on living together forever on the same soil." -- Albert Camus

I just got home from addressing an audience -- some Democrats, some maga, plus many I don't know about -- about the Iroquois influence on the colonial settlers during the Revolutionary War. About 1/3 of the whites wanted independence, 1/3 wanted to stay connected to England, and 1/3 were lucky they didn't have to read stupid arguing between old former friends on facebook. I spoke of the rallies in Boston leading up to the Boston Tea Party -- an estimated 7,000 out of a total population of 16,000 had taken part in protests against the new taxes. The organizers had actually tried to get Mohawk support for the dumping of the tea. And many dressed like Mohawk warriors.

I spoke of meetings the Iroquois leadership participated in with the Founding Fathers. When Franklin introduced his Plan of Union, it was similar to the Iroquois Confederacy. Ben proposed to call Congress the "grand council." It was rejected, and then Franklin's friend Joseph Galloway would introduce his plan of union. Though it really didn't get any serious support, I mentioned it because of a family relationship. Then the Articles of Confederation, then the Constitution.

I told of how Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman, Faithkeeper Oren Lyons, and I used to discuss that era. I asked what their ancestors greatest contributions to the Founding Fathers were? The Power of Ideas and the Power of the Good Mind were their answers. Neither dynamic -- one individual, one group, allows for people who want to live in peace to cling to petty hostilities, as advocated for in the OP. People need to reach a higher level of consciousness, and that cannot happen unconsciously, when one is saturated by negative emotions.

I ended by saying that I think our Constitution is a work of genius. It's the product of the Power of the Good Mind. I said that people need to read that and those other historic documents, because we are at risk of losing them.

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Nice rant but please delete the picture FirstLight Saturday #1
Done. Sorry. Buttoneer Saturday #5
You get what you vote for... Mr.Bee Sunday #87
Excuse me? What the fuck is that? FirstLight Sunday #91
Love the rant. orangecrush Saturday #2
I like the rant, but disagree in a way. Lars39 Saturday #3
People don't learn history Keepthesoulalive Saturday #4
I agree.. agingdem Saturday #8
Welcome to my club MauiPepe Sunday #83
It makes me sad that we have to be this way, but if we just hold hands and sing Kumbaya, nothing will ever change. mucholderthandirt Sunday #93
I come from an oral history family. Lars39 Saturday #11
If people didn't learn from the last 8 years Keepthesoulalive Saturday #23
Oh sure, they'll bitch and moan. But the thing is, their rants are an unhinged mess. paleotn Saturday #19
Well, to be honest... OldBaldy1701E Saturday #72
A fine distinction! lol Lars39 Sunday #89
and I include those who refused to vote for VP Harris in that group. JohnSJ Saturday #6
Those who voted for Biden but either switched to trump or sat it out. SammyWinstonJack Saturday #26
Yes they could have, especially in those critical swing states. JohnSJ Saturday #27
ABSOLUTELY! 🤬 electric_blue68 Saturday #62
I include those who failed to vote for Hillary in 2016. RandomNumbers Saturday #45
You are absolutely right. No excuse as far as I am concerned for that BS. JohnSJ Saturday #58
THIS! electric_blue68 Saturday #63
Including Current Members Of Congress OhioTim Sunday #84
Your son gets kidnapped and sent to Lousiana jayschool2013 Saturday #7
Your kid ODs and you can't save him/her MLWR Saturday #9
My connection to this issue runs deep Tickle Saturday #10
No disrespect to you, but Dan Saturday #13
they all live in Florida and Tickle Saturday #17
I feel for you. Take care. Dan Saturday #24
Thank you NT Tickle Saturday #35
❤️ NT Tickle Sunday #80
I could not love or tolerate anyone like that, family or not. NoRethugFriends Sunday #77
I know people like this too. progressoid Saturday #25
Oh, they are living for now is to "make the liberals heads explode" Walleye Saturday #15
I respond "MAGAT's are being owned." kerry-is-my-prez Saturday #49
Maybe but I think the GOP will also target liberals specifically which means college-educated professionals -- and women lostnfound Saturday #55
So glad I had the chance to go to college before it gets ruined. kerry-is-my-prez Saturday #64
I think that MAGAts need to look in the mirror to see who's being owned. love_katz Saturday #74
It does run deep and is very complex GreenEyedLefty Saturday #20
Nope. Trumpers are not good people, relatives or not. NoRethugFriends Sunday #78
Agree republianmushroom Saturday #12
Exactly Racygrandma Saturday #14
Well, I do want to hear them complain. At least we will know they have learned some thing. And I want them to cry, Walleye Saturday #16
Me too. Lessens the pain a little. kerry-is-my-prez Saturday #51
Beautifully stated! Paladin Saturday #18
Unfortunately, many of us can't just sever ties with them. mwmisses4289 Saturday #33
Do the maximum damage possible, given the circumstances. Paladin Saturday #37
You can sever ties with relatives. NoRethugFriends Sunday #79
Lib-Ownership czarjak Saturday #21
They call it "Owning the Libs". Hope they like it! mt Exp Saturday #22
THEY own it now. Whether they like it or not. calimary Sunday #81
SPOT ON!!! niyad Saturday #28
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Saturday #29
Well, you owe us some explanation then. Dock_Yard Saturday #53
Okay. H2O Man Saturday #54
Maybe I don't get it... but doesn't some of this higher concious aspect could allow people to walk all over you? electric_blue68 Saturday #66
No. H2O Man Saturday #69
Thank you. Understood. electric_blue68 20 hrs ago #95
When Apartheid fell, the South Africans decided to go with a Truth and Reconciliation program... haele Sunday #82
I love this rant! Buddyzbuddy Saturday #30
Agree blubunyip Saturday #39
I agree with your implication that to have voted for Buddyzbuddy Saturday #43
Respectfully... A hint? Not if yoi paid attention to what he said about Obama. Plus NYC'rs were telling The Country... electric_blue68 Saturday #65
For the record, I know the Felon was and is an Buddyzbuddy Saturday #73
Unlike you I'd LOVE to hear any complaints from Trump voters pnwmom Saturday #31
I do want to hear it. It makes my day. Demobrat Saturday #32
Repugnuts Iamscrewed Saturday #34
"" AllaN01Bear Saturday #36
I think it's OK to indulge that feeling for about 30 seconds and then we have to turn our efforts from pumping our chest mahina Saturday #38
Yes we still need to reach out to R voters whenever it's possible FakeNoose Saturday #40
Do they ever reach out to us? blubunyip Saturday #42
When they say they regret voting for Trump, that would be an opening mahina Saturday #60
fascinating personal history. Feel hetter! electric_blue68 Saturday #67
Thank you mahina Saturday #70
Agree with blubunyip Saturday #41
A starting place is to stop heaping hate on them... pat_k Saturday #48
That is a very helpful webpage blubunyip Sunday #86
So glad you checked it out. It is so important I created a new post. pat_k Sunday #92
This is fantastic! Courtney Roth, you're speaking for me! liberalla Saturday #44
I'm Really Conflicted DET Saturday #46
I prefer Rep. Maxwell Frost's reponse pat_k Saturday #47
I honestly don't understand.... SkylineChili Saturday #50
THANK YOU Skittles Sunday #75
Most I hear from are celebrating lies from Fox and from the orange bamboo himself. C Moon Saturday #52
After reading so many.. Safe as Milk Saturday #56
Most Trump voters will just blame all bad results on Democrats, Radical Leftists, etc. thought crime Saturday #57
And for our TLDR fam (we got you) Montauk6 Saturday #59
Amen Joinfortmill Saturday #61
I want to hear 100 million complaints from Trump voters. It's the only way we'll turn this around and stop the Martin68 Saturday #68
"owning teh libs" just got really expensive... Jack Valentino Saturday #71
problem is, we are ALL paying for it Skittles Sunday #76
YES.... why can't they pay for their own bullshit votes? without us Jack Valentino Yesterday #94
Perfect malaise Sunday #85
💯 Six117 Sunday #88
They will anyway, but they'll blame Democrats. Buckeye_Democrat Sunday #90
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