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erronis

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Sun Apr 27, 2025, 03:41 PM Apr 27

Remember The Pandemic Supply Chain Problem? -- Digby [View all]

https://digbysblog.net/2025/04/27/remember-the-pandemic-supply-chain-problem/

Well, get ready. It’s back.


We've seen postings about Seattle's port being virtually empty. This is Long Beach, CA.

Josh Marshall:

It’s only getting much play in the trade/transport niche press. But pretty real product shortages beginning in mid-May or so are already locked in. They’re maybe a thousand miles out in the Pacific Ocean. Modern trade takes place in gargantuan container ships. There are very detailed records for every one at sea, when it left China, the US port it’s traveling to etc.

I’m doing this from memory so the rough dates may be a few days off. But this last week we were still in a surge of week over week and year over year shipping as shippers and buyers tried to get out ahead of the tariffs. So it’s actually higher than usual because of that. But in the first and second week of May it drops off dramatically.

I’ve heard the drop off described in different ways. But the most optimistic seems to be a reduction in imports of about 50% or a bit less. Ships to the west coast go and to the east coast through the canal. So it hits the west coast first. Then it shows up in Chicago a week or so later as rail and trucking freight drop off. Then on the east coast as ships don’t arrive there.

I was talking to one regional banker in the mid Atlantic who told me that after the first week or may there are simply no ships from China arriving. Whatever the precise specifics the point is that this is already locked in. The severe drop off has already happened but it’s all off set by weeks because the Pacific Ocean is big and ocean freight speed is relatively slow. And it has knock on effects in domestic shipping.

It will hit trucking hard but that’s still a couple weeks away. Even if you only have roughly a 50% drop off in volume that shows up not just as rising costs but shortages. And even Trump woke up tomorrow and called everything off you’d still have a significant period of shortages locked in. And obviously that’s not going to happen.

We will also almost certainly see a limited version of the supply chain snarls we say during the pandemic. There are reports of some containers simply sitting or being abandoned in ports. Also when there’s no product you start laying off truckers or independents do something else. So when the product comes back on line the system to move the product out of port doesn’t come back immediately.

The upshot is that we’ve already locked in a long hot imports summer regardless of what happens now.


There are local stories here in LA about truckers being laid off and the Porto of Long Beach already feeling the effects. That’s about to go into warp speed in the next week or so.

Someone must have told Trump this would happen. I assume he said (as he’s been reported to have said on a number of subjects) “fuck it.” He thinks America loves him so much they’re willing to sacrifice themselves for his genius and once other countries feel the pain they will bend to his will and eliminate tariffs and America will somehow become richer than ever. It never made sense but for some reason people voted for him anyway and the Republican party saw his popularity among about 40% of politically illiterate voters as a mandate to go along with it.

The markets felt the earthquake first but the tsunami is about to hit the real economy next. When you combine it with the assault on the federal government from Vought and Musk, and all the safety nets being dismantled, you are looking at an epic disaster coming at us.

Buckle up. As Marshall says, it’s going to be a long hot summer.
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Wow. An astonishing port picture. We can't shout "Incoming!" because nothing is coming in. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 27 #1
Portoptimizer shows some good data to watch - link included chowder66 Apr 27 #2
20 categories of goods most exposed to price shocks: chia Apr 27 #3
+1 dalton99a Apr 27 #22
People are gonna find out how much we need is made outside the country. Dixiegrrrl Apr 27 #4
Not to be rude bdamomma Apr 27 #12
You just reminded me to complete a refill FirstLight Apr 27 #29
Very cogent. Bookmarking. Hekate Apr 27 #5
This will have horrific ripple effects from truck drivers to toy sellers. SunSeeker Apr 27 #6
The Felon said "there is going to be some pain." Buddyzbuddy Apr 27 #7
Of course, His Dotardness will not be at the receiving end of it. raccoon Apr 27 #11
Tell me about it. chowmama Apr 27 #14
I suspect we're all going to find out the hard way Buddyzbuddy Apr 27 #36
Kick. Fortune Magazine called it a "precipitous drop". bronxiteforever Apr 27 #8
Just wondering if they gave a percentage. "Precipitous" these days can mean anything from 10% to 99%. TheRickles Apr 27 #13
Read this very thread. 44% on top of 22% is precipitous. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 27 #16
Yes it is. Thanks. TheRickles Apr 27 #17
Here is the article bronxiteforever Apr 27 #18
Would be good to avoid getting DU members tracked. Good to learn to trim URLs Bernardo de La Paz Apr 27 #19
Actually "they" have every right to read everything on DU. Assume that they are. erronis Apr 27 #24
They have a right to read, but not to collect info & track. I assume they are doing so, but I have no facts on that. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 27 #25
I've worked in the web collection business. Everything that is collected is stored and cataloged. erronis Apr 27 #26
There are no rules for ordinary usage and storage. Read corporations. But US govt can't track w/o warrant Bernardo de La Paz Apr 27 #28
I believe you're looking at this from a "comm" perspective - capturing communications traffic. erronis Apr 27 #32
Web scraping, sure. But tracking cookies IS comms and I think that is the kind of thing prohibited to govt. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 27 #33
But as far as what we post on DU (or elsewhere), just be careful the web scrapers can't access it. erronis Apr 27 #34
As to photos, one thing to do is to put it up on a screen at full resolution and use screen capture. Another way Bernardo de La Paz Apr 27 #27
Thanks for this. Joinfortmill Apr 27 #9
May it be thee nail in his coffin. spanone Apr 27 #10
Trump is an imbecile... GiqueCee Apr 27 #15
There will be hoarding, price gouging, and fighting in stores dalton99a Apr 27 #20
"It never made sense but for some reason people voted for him anyway and the Republican party saw his popularity sop Apr 27 #21
TSF's actions make perfect sense, if you look at his actions from the perspective that he is a ruskie agent. kraznov. SheltieLover Apr 27 #30
Tomorrow I'm placing orders through various places on the things... littlemissmartypants Apr 27 #23
Hoard, panic, then over the edge bucolic_frolic Apr 27 #31
At This Point It Is Guess Work DallasNE Apr 27 #35
I DO REMEMBER the port explosion during Biden's first year Grins Apr 28 #37
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