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In reply to the discussion: Marisa Kabas: ICE stopping cars in DC and asking for papers [View all]IronLionZion
(48,742 posts)73. ACLU: Know Your Rights 100 Mile Border Zone
DC is within 100 miles of the ocean, which counts as a border.
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone
Are immigration officials allowed to stop people in places wholly inside the U.S.?
U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the federal agency tasked with patrolling the U.S. border and areas that function like a border, claims a territorial reach much larger than you might imagine. A federal law says that, without a warrant, CBP can board vehicles and vessels and search for people without immigration documentation within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States. These external boundaries include international land borders but also the entire U.S. coastline.
Are there limitations to immigration officials power?
The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects against arbitrary searches and seizures of people and their property, even in this expanded border area. Furthermore, as a general matter, these agents jurisdiction extends only to immigration violations and federal crimes. And, depending on where you are in this area and how long an agent detains you, agents must have varying levels of suspicion to hold you.
We will examine specific scenarios where one might encounter CBP in more depth, but here are your key rights. These apply to every situation, outside of customs and ports of entry.
You have the right to remain silent or tell the agent that youll only answer questions in the presence of an attorney, no matter your citizenship or immigration status. You do not have to answer questions about your immigration status. You may simply say that you do not wish to answer those questions. If you choose to remain silent, the agent will likely ask you questions for longer, but your silence alone is not enough to support probable cause or reasonable suspicion to arrest, detain, or search you or your belongings.
A limited exception does exist: for people who do have permission to be in the U.S. for a specific reason and for, usually, a limited amount of time (a nonimmigrant on a visa, for example), the law does require you to provide information about your immigration status if asked. While you can still choose to remain silent or decline a request to produce your documents, people in this category should be aware that they could face arrest consequences. If you want to know whether you fall into this category, you should consult an attorney.
Generally, an immigration officer cannot detain you without reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion is less robust than probable cause, but it is certainly not just a hunch or gut feeling. An agent must have specific facts about you that make it reasonable to believe you are committing or committed, a violation of immigration law or federal law.
If an agent detains you, you can ask for their basis for reasonable suspicion, and they should tell you.
An immigration officer also cannot search you or your belongings without either probable cause or your consent. If an agent asks you if they can search your belongings, you have the right to say no.
An immigration officer cannot arrest you without probable cause.
That means the agent must have facts about you that make it probable that you are committing, or committed, a violation of immigration law or federal law.
Your silence alone meets neither of these standards. Nor does your race or ethnicity alone suffice for either probable cause or reasonable suspicion.
Other important factors to keep in mind:
If an agent asks you for documents, what you need to provide differs depending on your immigration status. U.S. citizens do not have to carry proof of citizenship on their person if they are in the United States. If you have valid immigration documents and are over the age of 18, the law does require you to carry those documents on you. If you are asked by an immigration agent to produce them, it is advisable to show the documents to the agent or you risk being arrested. If you are an immigrant without documents, you can decline the officers request. An agent may likely ask you more questions if you decline a request. No matter what category you fall into, never provide false documents to immigration officials.
People who have entered the U.S. without inspection by an immigration official may be subject to expedited removal from the U.S. Expedited removal is a summary deportation that bypasses an immigration judge. The federal government says that it will only attempt to apply expedited removal to individuals who have entered the United States without inspection in the last 14 days, have been encountered by an immigration officer within 100 miles of the border, and meet certain other criteria. If you are told that you are subject to expedited removal but do not fall within that category, you should let the agents know. Also, if you fear persecution if returned to your country of origin, you should immediately inform the agents of your fear.
Are immigration officials allowed to stop people in places wholly inside the U.S.?
U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the federal agency tasked with patrolling the U.S. border and areas that function like a border, claims a territorial reach much larger than you might imagine. A federal law says that, without a warrant, CBP can board vehicles and vessels and search for people without immigration documentation within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States. These external boundaries include international land borders but also the entire U.S. coastline.
Are there limitations to immigration officials power?
The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects against arbitrary searches and seizures of people and their property, even in this expanded border area. Furthermore, as a general matter, these agents jurisdiction extends only to immigration violations and federal crimes. And, depending on where you are in this area and how long an agent detains you, agents must have varying levels of suspicion to hold you.
We will examine specific scenarios where one might encounter CBP in more depth, but here are your key rights. These apply to every situation, outside of customs and ports of entry.
You have the right to remain silent or tell the agent that youll only answer questions in the presence of an attorney, no matter your citizenship or immigration status. You do not have to answer questions about your immigration status. You may simply say that you do not wish to answer those questions. If you choose to remain silent, the agent will likely ask you questions for longer, but your silence alone is not enough to support probable cause or reasonable suspicion to arrest, detain, or search you or your belongings.
A limited exception does exist: for people who do have permission to be in the U.S. for a specific reason and for, usually, a limited amount of time (a nonimmigrant on a visa, for example), the law does require you to provide information about your immigration status if asked. While you can still choose to remain silent or decline a request to produce your documents, people in this category should be aware that they could face arrest consequences. If you want to know whether you fall into this category, you should consult an attorney.
Generally, an immigration officer cannot detain you without reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion is less robust than probable cause, but it is certainly not just a hunch or gut feeling. An agent must have specific facts about you that make it reasonable to believe you are committing or committed, a violation of immigration law or federal law.
If an agent detains you, you can ask for their basis for reasonable suspicion, and they should tell you.
An immigration officer also cannot search you or your belongings without either probable cause or your consent. If an agent asks you if they can search your belongings, you have the right to say no.
An immigration officer cannot arrest you without probable cause.
That means the agent must have facts about you that make it probable that you are committing, or committed, a violation of immigration law or federal law.
Your silence alone meets neither of these standards. Nor does your race or ethnicity alone suffice for either probable cause or reasonable suspicion.
Other important factors to keep in mind:
If an agent asks you for documents, what you need to provide differs depending on your immigration status. U.S. citizens do not have to carry proof of citizenship on their person if they are in the United States. If you have valid immigration documents and are over the age of 18, the law does require you to carry those documents on you. If you are asked by an immigration agent to produce them, it is advisable to show the documents to the agent or you risk being arrested. If you are an immigrant without documents, you can decline the officers request. An agent may likely ask you more questions if you decline a request. No matter what category you fall into, never provide false documents to immigration officials.
People who have entered the U.S. without inspection by an immigration official may be subject to expedited removal from the U.S. Expedited removal is a summary deportation that bypasses an immigration judge. The federal government says that it will only attempt to apply expedited removal to individuals who have entered the United States without inspection in the last 14 days, have been encountered by an immigration officer within 100 miles of the border, and meet certain other criteria. If you are told that you are subject to expedited removal but do not fall within that category, you should let the agents know. Also, if you fear persecution if returned to your country of origin, you should immediately inform the agents of your fear.
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Seems improbable that they could stop everybody -- lost tourists, people passing
allegorical oracle
13 hrs ago
#44
That went out in 1968 with Terry v Ohio, when the Court invented "detention" out of whole cloth.
rsdsharp
12 hrs ago
#68
Then in 1990 Michigan v. Sitz allowed "minimal" intrusion roadblocks for DUI prevention
Ponietz
8 hrs ago
#76
And, of course, Pennsylvania v. Mimms, which allows them to order you out of the car for "officer safety."
rsdsharp
7 hrs ago
#85
Probably not a "Real-ID" as that is now required for federal buildings and such. So just a regular DL is not good
LiberalArkie
12 hrs ago
#52
Papers please is really a world wide thing and has been for decades. If stopped by police anywhere in the world they
LiberalArkie
7 hrs ago
#82
Bet they wave through white people, especially those driving a late-model car. They're
allegorical oracle
13 hrs ago
#46
RIGHT !! Let's say it is lawful who tf wants to be part of an organization that's got to cover their faces in their own
uponit7771
14 hrs ago
#10
Yep, literally the Nazis cleared the jails of racist to shoot Jews and socialist in the beginning but
uponit7771
13 hrs ago
#50
Military ID is considered a Real ID. So Dependants, Retirees, and Reservists...
haele
14 hrs ago
#11
Can't recall the year, but Jeb Bush was Gov. of Fla., and he made everyone get a real
allegorical oracle
13 hrs ago
#49
Had to present my birth certificate, my marriage certificate (my surname had changed), had to
allegorical oracle
12 hrs ago
#56
Pretty soon those agents of Trump's Fascist Agenda will have access to data bases thanx to the
Botany
14 hrs ago
#5
You'd think they would be proud of their thuggery! Show your face and your steel teeth.
erronis
13 hrs ago
#45
I didn't know law enforcement could wear a mask, do the display a badge number and name?
doc03
8 hrs ago
#79
These nazi thugs will the among the first scumbags we hunt down when this is finally over.
Basso8vb
14 hrs ago
#12
Not denying the REPUBLICAN Gestapo would be doing this, especially in DC which has stricter ID requirements
Cheezoholic
13 hrs ago
#32
This is third world country stuff. Especially because they're ashamed to show their faces.
Vinca
13 hrs ago
#34
Makes me wonder if Trump/ICE are now trafficking humans to be slaves in other countries' prisons.
Attilatheblond
12 hrs ago
#65
How are we to know who these people are? No identification, all in black and masks and they say they
Deuxcents
8 hrs ago
#77