General Discussion

EndlessWire

(8,055 posts)

30. I believe there is evidence

Sat Jul 12, 2025, 11:35 AM

Jul 12

Both fuel switches were moved to the off position over the detent or notch and then the APU immediately deployed. That's evidence. The problem is, we don't know why. They are springloaded and have to be moved manually. These two levers, one for each engine, were pulled one second apart. By the time the pilots were moving to restart the engines, it was too late.

More than one expert has analyzed the Air India report, and this is the gist of it. It is a big mystery as to how this happened, and we may never know. Perhaps they were cut off by the First Officer thinking they were something else? At any rate, in order for any computer to be told anything to input to the fuel shutoff valves, these switches have to be moved manually.

It really is unthinkable, and a big mystery. Perhaps more info will come out. But we are probably never going to know how this happened.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

38 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Fuel to engines of Air India plane that crashed cut off moments after take-off, report finds [View all] Eugene Jul 11 OP

wtf Skittles Jul 11 #1

Deliberate, sounds like Blues Heron Jul 11 #2

No evidence to draw that conclusion. As we know, advanced planes are run by software Bernardo de La Paz Jul 11 #9

Except one pilot asked the other one why he did it EX500rider Jul 11 #14

"Why did you shut off?" sounds like a query of the engines, not the other pilot. greyl Jul 11 #20

A pilot would much more likely say "Why did you shut down?" if speaking to the engines.. EX500rider Jul 11 #21

Spare me the lecture bro Blues Heron Jul 11 #16

Spare me the unfounded speculation bro Bernardo de La Paz Jul 11 #17

Why? it's a message board it's all about disussion. Did you read the article? Blues Heron Jul 11 #18

You were the first to object to discussion. "Spare me". . .. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 11 #19

I believe there is evidence EndlessWire Jul 12 #30

Paltry. We don't know if the switches were moved or if an internal action occurred and displayed on screens. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 12 #31

"India Today" has this discussion of the Fuel Switches, their activation, wiring and effect Doctoris Extincti Jul 12 #33

Thanks. Another link I found on that page has even more info, going into scenarios Bernardo de La Paz Jul 12 #36

There was pilot speculation a while ago that Disaffected Jul 11 #3

There was speculation they hit the flaps up instead of gear up that I saw.... EX500rider Jul 11 #6

Suicide by pilot? EX500rider Jul 11 #4

You have to know the system Fichefinder Jul 11 #8

Wouldn't be the 1st time EX500rider Jul 11 #11

Sure, but zero evidence as yet. Unless you are privy to details we and the press are not. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 11 #13

Easy enough deduction IMO EX500rider Jul 11 #15

1) Technical gremlin not ruled out. 2) Other evidence runs counter to your theory Bernardo de La Paz Jul 12 #23

I am not sure there was not a fight over the switch's, the whole audio has not been released EX500rider Jul 12 #25

"Voted most unlikely" by who. There's no issue until there is an issue. Depending on "no issue" is confirmation bias. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 12 #28

By experts on the plane? EX500rider Jul 12 #35

Good catch. Thanks. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 12 #37

The report said that EndlessWire Jul 12 #34

Switch's were found in RUN position nt EX500rider Jul 12 #38

Also, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (2014) Doctoris Extincti Jul 12 #29

Looks like it. So horrible for all the people who were killed pinkstarburst Jul 12 #22

Cockpit recordings make it clear that it was not intentional. There was no fight and engines were restarted. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 12 #24

All the cockpit audio has not been released. EX500rider Jul 12 #27

gee, instead of arguing maybe turn the fuel supply on again? msongs Jul 11 #5

yeah seconds counted, the 1st engine was just spooling up when they went down EX500rider Jul 11 #7

A pilot did restart at least one engine, but they ran out of time and altitude. Eugene Jul 11 #10

They did, gee. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 11 #12

I'm curious as to whether there was a third person in the cockpit relayerbob Jul 12 #26

Modern, digitized aircraft controls can be run remotely... Think. Again. Jul 12 #32