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48. I don't know all the inner workings, but Here are my assumptions

Tue Jul 15, 2025, 12:55 PM

Jul 15

1. Clearly Epstein and Maxwell were partners.
2. Epstein developed "clients" (i.e Kompromat targets) and handled the business end of things.
3. Maxwell had the knowledge of and access to the spy agencies. And of course, Maxwell was the principal in the recruiting of prostitutes, especially the grooming of young ones.
4. Epstein recognized that Trump had some connections, including mob connections, and that Trump liked the young girls. This was about the time that the KGB was grooming Trump (aka Krasnov), so there is a good chance that the KGB made it known that any Kompromat on Trump would be well rewarded.
5. But Trump wasn't just a client and target. He fancied himself mingling in the same circles where the spy agencies wanted access and control. So the relationship with Trump was, shall we say, complicated.
6. Epstein was considerably smarter and more cunning than Trump and was able to compromise Trump (that's easy) while also getting Trump to assist with recruiting others who would go into Epstein's meat grinder.
7. My bet is that Trump never really knew how completely Epstein was manipulating him. Trump loves to be the center of attention. Epstein exploited that to get Trump to bring many others into the Kompromat house.
8. I'm not convinced the FBI or other agencies have all of this in a report. But you can be practically certain that there are people in those agencies that understand the whole picture. And that is why Trump is panicking. He probably didn't realize just how big and deep the Epstein operation was until the past few years, and Trump really isn't sure what others know and who might expose the details.

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Epstein was second in command... [View all] kentuck Jul 15 OP

It is more believable than not. johnnyfins Jul 15 #1

I wonder if Limbaugh ever went there? Kingofalldems Jul 15 #2

You can bet that Weinstein did maybe? Jit423 Jul 15 #5

Epstein was connected to Harvard Math Dept while Weinstein was there womanofthehills Jul 15 #61

I assumed Kingofalldems was thinking of Harvey. soldierant Jul 15 #64

So did I. ShazzieB Wednesday #105

Or Rudy? kentuck Jul 15 #6

And one or more SC justices. Kingofalldems Jul 15 #7

My guess would be: kentuck Jul 15 #8

Clarence Thomas too. Irish_Dem Jul 15 #16

And Boof Boy Kavanaugh of the Brooks Brothers Riot in Florida 2000 Captain Zero Wednesday #85

Exactly. He is all in for sex, drugs, booze. Irish_Dem Wednesday #90

None of those People were "anyone" back in the Epstein heyday. Callie1979 Wednesday #93

Limbaugh's proclivities SusieCreamcheese Jul 15 #65

You are correct. Limbaugh was as much of a creep as has ever walked this earth. BComplex Wednesday #104

Apparently Hudly Jul 15 #73

Or Ghouliani? llmart Jul 15 #78

Him too. Kingofalldems Jul 15 #81

Question: Why now? TBA Jul 15 #3

Elon Musk opened the can of worms... kentuck Jul 15 #4

THAT'S who needs to be called before Congress to testify! 70sEraVet Jul 15 #10

While he's on the stand testifying before Congress under oath, OMGWTF Jul 15 #67

I would bet good money Elon has copies of the files. Joinfortmill Jul 15 #34

And if he gets pissed enough at Trump, he could be the one that spills the beans and releases the files. TheRickles Jul 15 #72

We can hope. Joinfortmill Wednesday #97

He has enough money to buy anything. n/t Safe as Milk Wednesday #83

The MAGA base has been demanding answers. Irish_Dem Jul 15 #17

Bingo! Bo Zarts Jul 15 #9

Why did the Biden administration not know this? onenote Jul 15 #11

I'm guessing Jack Smith knew some of it, or at least had access to the FBI documents FakeNoose Jul 15 #22

I believe Epstein's so-called suicide was on Barr's watch. Joinfortmill Jul 15 #35

I think they did and once Maxwell was indicted and jailed Bev54 Jul 15 #30

if they had evidence that Trump was calling the shots for Epstein onenote Jul 15 #32

I really doubt Trump was calling the shots Bev54 Jul 15 #36

I agree. My posts offer reasons why the OP's conspiracy theory is highly unlikely. onenote Jul 15 #40

I'll go a step further: I don't buy this theory at all. ShazzieB Jul 15 #58

I agree MorbidButterflyTat Jul 15 #74

They did end their friendship in 2004 and Epstein was first indicted on sex charges in 2007. kentuck Jul 15 #77

I think Trump got paid big bucks by Epstein for Poon Procurement at MaraLoco Captain Zero Wednesday #87

Agree that blubunyip Wednesday #92

That is a good question. kentuck Jul 15 #43

Though largely on the right the rot likely also spilled onto the left as well... yourout Jul 15 #52

In my opinion, it is almost like two scandals in one. kentuck Jul 15 #56

so you think Biden, a champion of strong women, covered for pedophiles Skittles Jul 15 #71

No, i think the OP's theory doesn't hold water. onenote Wednesday #94

Blaming Biden again, huh? W_HAMILTON Jul 15 #45

No, I was making the point that the OP theory doesn't hold water. onenote Wednesday #95

And why would Epstein keep quiet? writerJT Jul 15 #70

The way Epstein would pretend "friendship" with the help that worked on his properties wolfie001 Jul 15 #12

Agree. A wide net was flung by Epstein coffeenap Jul 15 #13

K&R spanone Jul 15 #14

Where? ILikePie92 Jul 15 #15

Correct. kentuck Jul 15 #20

Sorry, i can get a bit pedantic at times ILikePie92 Jul 15 #62

Excellent theory Kentuck. Irish_Dem Jul 15 #18

Sitting US President is the co-founder and partner of an extensive sex trafficking ring. Irish_Dem Jul 15 #19

With the espoused "projection" theory... kentuck Jul 15 #21

Yes. Psychopaths often accuse others of the crimes they themselves are committing. Irish_Dem Jul 15 #23

And don't forget Mars! 3catwoman3 Wednesday #88

Dems have a sex ring on Mars? Irish_Dem Wednesday #91

Old story from 2017. A guest on Alex Jones' show... 3catwoman3 Wednesday #100

These people are really crazy. Irish_Dem Wednesday #101

As I've said many times, here and elsewhere, I'm never sure... 3catwoman3 Wednesday #103

Same sitting US President is allowing a bunch of unidentified thugs to kidnap people without the system documenting them Attilatheblond Jul 15 #53

It's in the Trump DNA zorbasd Jul 15 #82

Kentuck, do you see a Russian/Putin connection in your theory? Irish_Dem Jul 15 #24

There is always the Russian/Putin connection... kentuck Jul 15 #39

Yes Irish_Dem Jul 15 #44

So why didn't Trump just give the weapons to Zelinskyy outright? kentuck Jul 15 #54

Excellent theory but I believe there's more evidence that he partnered with Ghislaine Maxwell FakeNoose Jul 15 #25

I think it very possible that there was a split between Epstein and Trump... kentuck Jul 15 #46

This thing was bigger than Trump and Epstein Bluetus Jul 15 #26

Yup, and Ghislaine's father was a spy for multiple countries. Joinfortmill Jul 15 #37

Yes on all of this, and that's why Epstein would have never wanted Chump for his partner FakeNoose Jul 15 #38

I don't know all the inner workings, but Here are my assumptions Bluetus Jul 15 #48

All good ... especially #6 and #7 FakeNoose Jul 15 #57

Makes excellent sense. Joinfortmill Jul 15 #59

Expansion is good bucolic_frolic Jul 15 #27

Got to remember that tRump runs a crime family and sex trafficking is just one of many criminal activities ImNotGod Jul 15 #28

I see it largely the way you lay it out except for one alteration... Hugin Jul 15 #29

MAGA---------Molesting All Girls Always spike jones Jul 15 #31

Yes, to a certain extent. But without Epstein these other men would not have become involved Joinfortmill Jul 15 #33

Yes, Jeffrey Epstein cultivated friendships with many very smart & wealthy men FakeNoose Jul 15 #41

that makes a lot of sense. samsingh Jul 15 #42

Virginia Giuffre (arguably Epstein's most well known victim) was recruited by Maxwell at Trump's Mar-a-Lago. W_HAMILTON Jul 15 #47

My first thought: kentuck Jul 15 #49

Uh, of course. Both her and Epstein were frequent visitors there. W_HAMILTON Jul 15 #50

I think the timeline is important. kentuck Jul 15 #51

Here's a very detailed discussion of the Epstein/Trump story, emphasizing mob ties and foreign intelligence agencies. TheRickles Jul 15 #55

I believe Epstein was the Frontman. mercuryblues Jul 15 #60

It makes as much sense as anything else I've heard. bluescribbler Jul 15 #63

A big, huge honey trap providing blackmail for any authoritarians wanting to control the world. n/t AntiFascist Jul 15 #66

Oh, I think you're spot on. It makes the most sense. Texin Jul 15 #68

What about Madame Maxwell? Didn't she Ilsa Jul 15 #69

Trump and Epstein ended their friendship in 2004 over a bid on some palm Beach property. kentuck Jul 15 #75

The evidence in the Maxwell trial established she was the procurer from "at least" 1994 to 2004. onenote Wednesday #96

Pam Bondi the AG of Florida blubunyip Wednesday #98

IMO. There are dead girls that the Epstein ring covered up. And the murderer is DJT. Bread and Circuses Jul 15 #76

Well, that's a little extreme, don't you think? FakeNoose Wednesday #84

Trump Model Management pat_k Jul 15 #79

Trump was a big fish. Young girls were bait. PufPuf23 Jul 15 #80

Trump is too stupid to be "in command" Skittles Wednesday #86

Rapist And Trafficker: RAT. Dave Bowman Wednesday #89

The procurer... dlk Wednesday #99

I have read all the comments.... kentuck Wednesday #102