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Ms. Toad

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39. I don't know that we would win everytime, but our values are fundamentally different.

Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:43 PM

Jul 15

It is never a good idea to try to win by stealing the other side's (bad) ideas. It just turns us into a lesser version of them - and I don't want to be (or vote for) any version of them.

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Irish tourist jailed by Ice for months after overstaying US visit by three days: 'Nobody is safe' [View all] cbabe Jul 15 OP

Go after the real criminals Blue Full Moon Jul 15 #1

Real criminals are scary. Not like the taco truck guy or flower seller lady. cbabe Jul 15 #6

They might get hurt. LiberalArkie Jul 15 #21

Real criminals might fight back. The proud boys who joined ICE are not that brave IronLionZion Jul 15 #24

Who benefits and how from the US being hated around the world? Irish_Dem Jul 15 #2

I wish the media was asking those questions. yardwork Jul 15 #15

The US Media works for the Putin/Trump GOP. Irish_Dem Jul 15 #17

Other countries have strict visa rules newdeal2 Jul 15 #3

True. But. Doctor said not to fly. Plus he had paperwork. Vicious bully tactics are causing US more harm than good. cbabe Jul 15 #4

So are you suggesting Biden was a vicious bully? Ms. Toad Jul 15 #12

Of course not. cbabe Jul 15 #13

You did read the article, Ms. Toad Jul 15 #18

ICE was taking their time awaiting Jan 20th IbogaProject Jul 15 #25

Got some evidence for this? Ms. Toad Jul 15 #28

IMHO if Capital can fly freely over borders ... Dave says Jul 15 #40

I agree (completely disconnected from whether capital can fly freely over borders) Ms. Toad Jul 15 #41

During the Biden administration, the ICE and DOJ was really Trumps. LiberalArkie Jul 15 #23

Right. The deep state. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #30

As a party and I believe why we loose is we try to out-Republican the Republicans. I think it we had our beliefs back LiberalArkie Jul 15 #35

I don't know that we would win everytime, but our values are fundamentally different. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #39

Also it's not about saving money. It's about putting money in jailer pockets. cbabe Jul 15 #10

How about just issuing a citation for visa overstays - For these specific situations tulipsandroses Jul 15 #16

He was put in in late December 2024 IbogaProject Jul 15 #42

They're making money off of people's misery. poli-junkie Jul 15 #5

He's lucky they didn't send him to El Salvador or South Sudan dalton99a Jul 15 #7

Still inexcusable - but there is a little more to the story. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #8

Beyond Stupid! Put Him on the No Entry List and on the Next Flight to Ireland. MineralMan Jul 15 #9

That initial decision was made in December 2024. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #14

In any case, the situation should never have occurred. MineralMan Jul 15 #19

I agree that it should absolutely have never occurred. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #31

I'm not coming back malaise Jul 15 #11

Good decision, I think. MineralMan Jul 15 #20

My brother is planning his wedding but the guest list might be short IronLionZion Jul 15 #26

I have spent many lovely holidays in the US with family and friends malaise Jul 15 #34

Cruelty is the point Botany Jul 15 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 15 #27

His girlfriend did not support the accusation of false imprisonment. chowder66 Jul 15 #33

Due process? Presumption of innocence? marble falls Jul 15 #36

Sounds like... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 15 #38

Odd angle. Torchlight Jul 15 #37

ICE misunderstood the term "black Irish". marble falls Jul 15 #29

White Guy Deep State Witch Jul 15 #32