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kentuck

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102. I have read all the comments....

Wed Jul 16, 2025, 08:42 AM

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...and I try to keep an open mind.

It is almost a consensus that Trump was deeply involved but not in charge. Trump and Epstein were friends from 1992 to 2004. Epstein got into most of his legal troubles after their friendship ended. So, it would appear that any Trump assistance to Epstein would have happened in that time frame. Also, it looks as if Epstein and Maxwell were the main culprits after 2004? Trump seemed to be out of the picture at that time. We do not know what Trump did for Epstein in that 10-12 year period they were friends? It appears to me that Trump was giving big donations to politicians to get tax breaks and political favors, while he was setting up trips to the island and assisting Epstein with his procurement of young ladies. It was probably a bi-partisan scandal, with enough money to cover it all up.

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Epstein was second in command... [View all] kentuck Tuesday OP

It is more believable than not. johnnyfins Tuesday #1

I wonder if Limbaugh ever went there? Kingofalldems Tuesday #2

You can bet that Weinstein did maybe? Jit423 Tuesday #5

Epstein was connected to Harvard Math Dept while Weinstein was there womanofthehills Tuesday #61

I assumed Kingofalldems was thinking of Harvey. soldierant Tuesday #64

So did I. ShazzieB Wednesday #105

Or Rudy? kentuck Tuesday #6

And one or more SC justices. Kingofalldems Tuesday #7

My guess would be: kentuck Tuesday #8

Clarence Thomas too. Irish_Dem Tuesday #16

And Boof Boy Kavanaugh of the Brooks Brothers Riot in Florida 2000 Captain Zero Wednesday #85

Exactly. He is all in for sex, drugs, booze. Irish_Dem Wednesday #90

None of those People were "anyone" back in the Epstein heyday. Callie1979 Wednesday #93

Limbaugh's proclivities SusieCreamcheese Tuesday #65

You are correct. Limbaugh was as much of a creep as has ever walked this earth. BComplex Wednesday #104

Apparently Hudly Tuesday #73

Or Ghouliani? llmart Tuesday #78

Him too. Kingofalldems Tuesday #81

Question: Why now? TBA Tuesday #3

Elon Musk opened the can of worms... kentuck Tuesday #4

THAT'S who needs to be called before Congress to testify! 70sEraVet Tuesday #10

While he's on the stand testifying before Congress under oath, OMGWTF Tuesday #67

I would bet good money Elon has copies of the files. Joinfortmill Tuesday #34

And if he gets pissed enough at Trump, he could be the one that spills the beans and releases the files. TheRickles Tuesday #72

We can hope. Joinfortmill Wednesday #97

He has enough money to buy anything. n/t Safe as Milk Wednesday #83

The MAGA base has been demanding answers. Irish_Dem Tuesday #17

Bingo! Bo Zarts Tuesday #9

Why did the Biden administration not know this? onenote Tuesday #11

I'm guessing Jack Smith knew some of it, or at least had access to the FBI documents FakeNoose Tuesday #22

I believe Epstein's so-called suicide was on Barr's watch. Joinfortmill Tuesday #35

I think they did and once Maxwell was indicted and jailed Bev54 Tuesday #30

if they had evidence that Trump was calling the shots for Epstein onenote Tuesday #32

I really doubt Trump was calling the shots Bev54 Tuesday #36

I agree. My posts offer reasons why the OP's conspiracy theory is highly unlikely. onenote Tuesday #40

I'll go a step further: I don't buy this theory at all. ShazzieB Tuesday #58

I agree MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #74

They did end their friendship in 2004 and Epstein was first indicted on sex charges in 2007. kentuck Tuesday #77

I think Trump got paid big bucks by Epstein for Poon Procurement at MaraLoco Captain Zero Wednesday #87

Agree that blubunyip Wednesday #92

That is a good question. kentuck Tuesday #43

Though largely on the right the rot likely also spilled onto the left as well... yourout Tuesday #52

In my opinion, it is almost like two scandals in one. kentuck Tuesday #56

so you think Biden, a champion of strong women, covered for pedophiles Skittles Tuesday #71

No, i think the OP's theory doesn't hold water. onenote Wednesday #94

Blaming Biden again, huh? W_HAMILTON Tuesday #45

No, I was making the point that the OP theory doesn't hold water. onenote Wednesday #95

And why would Epstein keep quiet? writerJT Tuesday #70

The way Epstein would pretend "friendship" with the help that worked on his properties wolfie001 Tuesday #12

Agree. A wide net was flung by Epstein coffeenap Tuesday #13

K&R spanone Tuesday #14

Where? ILikePie92 Tuesday #15

Correct. kentuck Tuesday #20

Sorry, i can get a bit pedantic at times ILikePie92 Tuesday #62

Excellent theory Kentuck. Irish_Dem Tuesday #18

Sitting US President is the co-founder and partner of an extensive sex trafficking ring. Irish_Dem Tuesday #19

With the espoused "projection" theory... kentuck Tuesday #21

Yes. Psychopaths often accuse others of the crimes they themselves are committing. Irish_Dem Tuesday #23

And don't forget Mars! 3catwoman3 Wednesday #88

Dems have a sex ring on Mars? Irish_Dem Wednesday #91

Old story from 2017. A guest on Alex Jones' show... 3catwoman3 Wednesday #100

These people are really crazy. Irish_Dem Wednesday #101

As I've said many times, here and elsewhere, I'm never sure... 3catwoman3 Wednesday #103

Same sitting US President is allowing a bunch of unidentified thugs to kidnap people without the system documenting them Attilatheblond Tuesday #53

It's in the Trump DNA zorbasd Tuesday #82

Kentuck, do you see a Russian/Putin connection in your theory? Irish_Dem Tuesday #24

There is always the Russian/Putin connection... kentuck Tuesday #39

Yes Irish_Dem Tuesday #44

So why didn't Trump just give the weapons to Zelinskyy outright? kentuck Tuesday #54

Excellent theory but I believe there's more evidence that he partnered with Ghislaine Maxwell FakeNoose Tuesday #25

I think it very possible that there was a split between Epstein and Trump... kentuck Tuesday #46

This thing was bigger than Trump and Epstein Bluetus Tuesday #26

Yup, and Ghislaine's father was a spy for multiple countries. Joinfortmill Tuesday #37

Yes on all of this, and that's why Epstein would have never wanted Chump for his partner FakeNoose Tuesday #38

I don't know all the inner workings, but Here are my assumptions Bluetus Tuesday #48

All good ... especially #6 and #7 FakeNoose Tuesday #57

Makes excellent sense. Joinfortmill Tuesday #59

Expansion is good bucolic_frolic Tuesday #27

Got to remember that tRump runs a crime family and sex trafficking is just one of many criminal activities ImNotGod Tuesday #28

I see it largely the way you lay it out except for one alteration... Hugin Tuesday #29

MAGA---------Molesting All Girls Always spike jones Tuesday #31

Yes, to a certain extent. But without Epstein these other men would not have become involved Joinfortmill Tuesday #33

Yes, Jeffrey Epstein cultivated friendships with many very smart & wealthy men FakeNoose Tuesday #41

that makes a lot of sense. samsingh Tuesday #42

Virginia Giuffre (arguably Epstein's most well known victim) was recruited by Maxwell at Trump's Mar-a-Lago. W_HAMILTON Tuesday #47

My first thought: kentuck Tuesday #49

Uh, of course. Both her and Epstein were frequent visitors there. W_HAMILTON Tuesday #50

I think the timeline is important. kentuck Tuesday #51

Here's a very detailed discussion of the Epstein/Trump story, emphasizing mob ties and foreign intelligence agencies. TheRickles Tuesday #55

I believe Epstein was the Frontman. mercuryblues Tuesday #60

It makes as much sense as anything else I've heard. bluescribbler Tuesday #63

A big, huge honey trap providing blackmail for any authoritarians wanting to control the world. n/t AntiFascist Tuesday #66

Oh, I think you're spot on. It makes the most sense. Texin Tuesday #68

What about Madame Maxwell? Didn't she Ilsa Tuesday #69

Trump and Epstein ended their friendship in 2004 over a bid on some palm Beach property. kentuck Tuesday #75

The evidence in the Maxwell trial established she was the procurer from "at least" 1994 to 2004. onenote Wednesday #96

Pam Bondi the AG of Florida blubunyip Wednesday #98

IMO. There are dead girls that the Epstein ring covered up. And the murderer is DJT. Bread and Circuses Tuesday #76

Well, that's a little extreme, don't you think? FakeNoose Wednesday #84

Trump Model Management pat_k Tuesday #79

Trump was a big fish. Young girls were bait. PufPuf23 Tuesday #80

Trump is too stupid to be "in command" Skittles Wednesday #86

Rapist And Trafficker: RAT. Dave Bowman Wednesday #89

The procurer... dlk Wednesday #99

I have read all the comments.... kentuck Wednesday #102