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8. The author admits that he is offering an opinion that is contrary to most other sources

Reply to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:33 AM

Jul 17

He calls those views "denials:

…The continued denial of this designation by states, international organizations and legal and scholarly experts will cause unmitigated damage not just to the people of Gaza and Israel but also to the system of international law established in the wake of the horrors of the Holocaust, designed to prevent such atrocities from happening ever again. It is a threat to the very foundations of the moral order on which we all depend.

In fact, this consensus is a downright rebuttal "by states, international organizations and legal and scholarly experts" of his opinion. Like everybody else with opinions, he has one, and none of these opinions, including his own, constitute a definitive verdict on the subject.

Many scholars are in disagreement with his scholarship: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4388533-israel-is-not-committing-genocide-but-hamas-is/

Most Jews, including Holocaust survivors in and outside of Israel, reject his arguments: https://www.ajc.org/news/5-reasons-why-the-events-in-gaza-are-not-genocide

And here is a direct point by point rebuttal of this particular article: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/respectfully-professor-bartov-this-is-not-genocide/

Whatever gravitas Mr Bartow's credentials bring to his opinions, they are no substitute for the facts.

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I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It. [View all] BeyondGeography Jul 17 OP

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I am not a genocide scholar but I know genocide malaise Jul 17 #4

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I haven't seen any... druidity33 Jul 17 #6

And you will see even fewer of them. I found it utterly useless to counter opinions with facts. Beastly Boy Jul 17 #11

Nah. When neither facts nor morality are on your side, I'd be quiet too. AloeVera Jul 20 #24

Facts are on my side allright. I keep citing them again and again. Beastly Boy Jul 20 #29

With facts such as the ADL got canceled its a wonder anyone can even think of debating you. Eko Jul 20 #31

Ten minutes later, and your post didn't age well, did it? Beastly Boy Jul 20 #32

Mine aged very well. Eko Jul 20 #34

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I can tell you that I am not a fan of using right wing slogans. Eko Monday #36

It's not genocide. nt LexVegas Jul 17 #13

You've convinced me with that compelling argument!! Violet_Crumble Thursday #43

Some of those same people are saying ethnic cleansing isn't taking place, either Rob H. Jul 17 #18

It's an academic argument... druidity33 Jul 17 #19

You are exactly right! Violet_Crumble Thursday #44

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The author admits that he is offering an opinion that is contrary to most other sources Beastly Boy Jul 17 #8

Why let that get in the way of the "concern"? nt LexVegas Jul 17 #9

Haaretz has some facts too BeyondGeography Jul 17 #12

And these facts are consistent with urban warfare involving human shields, not genocide. Beastly Boy Jul 17 #14

Haaretz has reported extensively on the IDF's use of Palestinians as human shields BeyondGeography Jul 17 #16

And your point is... what? Beastly Boy Jul 17 #17

You didn't read the article too closely, or something. AloeVera Jul 20 #22

Ah, thanks for bringing these passages to my attention. Beastly Boy Monday #37

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Between the two, the 'emotional healing" blogger appears to be more trustworthy and objective. Beastly Boy Monday #38

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Especially when it's domicide in aid of ethnic cleansing. AloeVera Jul 20 #21

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