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In reply to the discussion: I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It. [View all]AloeVera
(3,282 posts)22. You didn't read the article too closely, or something.
He makes it clear there is a rift between genocide scholars and Holocaust scholars. The latter are the Gaza Genocide denialists, which I find ironic and sad.
Those engaged in the worldwide culture of commemoration and remembrance built around the Holocaust will have to confront a moral reckoning. The wider community of genocide scholars those engaged in the study of comparative genocide or of any one of the many other genocides that have marred human history is now edging ever closer toward a consensus over describing events in Gaza as a genocide.
In November, a little more than a year into the war, the Israeli genocide scholar Shmuel Lederman joined the growing chorus of opinion that Israel was engaged in genocidal actions. The Canadian international lawyer William Schabas came to the same conclusion last year and has recently described Israels military campaign in Gaza as absolutely a genocide.
Other genocide experts, such as Melanie OBrien, president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, and the British specialist Martin Shaw (who has also said that the Hamas attack was genocidal), have reached the same conclusion, while the Australian scholar A. Dirk Moses of the City University of New York described these events in the Dutch publication NRC as a mix of genocidal and military logic. In the same article, Uğur Ümit Üngör, a professor at the Amsterdam-based NIOD Institute for War, Holocaust and Genocide Studies, said there are probably scholars who still do not think its genocide, but I dont know them.
In November, a little more than a year into the war, the Israeli genocide scholar Shmuel Lederman joined the growing chorus of opinion that Israel was engaged in genocidal actions. The Canadian international lawyer William Schabas came to the same conclusion last year and has recently described Israels military campaign in Gaza as absolutely a genocide.
Other genocide experts, such as Melanie OBrien, president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, and the British specialist Martin Shaw (who has also said that the Hamas attack was genocidal), have reached the same conclusion, while the Australian scholar A. Dirk Moses of the City University of New York described these events in the Dutch publication NRC as a mix of genocidal and military logic. In the same article, Uğur Ümit Üngör, a professor at the Amsterdam-based NIOD Institute for War, Holocaust and Genocide Studies, said there are probably scholars who still do not think its genocide, but I dont know them.
He also says this about the denial:
To this day, only a few scholars of the Holocaust and no institutions dedicated to researching and commemorating it have issued warnings that Israel could be accused of carrying out war crimes, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing or genocide. This silence has made a mockery of the slogan Never again, transforming its meaning from an assertion of resistance to inhumanity wherever it is perpetrated to an excuse, an apology, indeed, even a carte blanche for destroying others by invoking ones own past victimhood.
This is another of the many incalculable costs of the current catastrophe. As Israel is literally trying to wipe out Palestinian existence in Gaza and is exercising increasing violence against Palestinians in the West Bank, the moral and historical credit that the Jewish state has drawn on until now is running out.
This is another of the many incalculable costs of the current catastrophe. As Israel is literally trying to wipe out Palestinian existence in Gaza and is exercising increasing violence against Palestinians in the West Bank, the moral and historical credit that the Jewish state has drawn on until now is running out.
Israel and the denialists - of all stripes - would do well to heed this warning.
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And you will see even fewer of them. I found it utterly useless to counter opinions with facts.
Beastly Boy
Thursday
#11
With facts such as the ADL got canceled its a wonder anyone can even think of debating you.
Eko
Yesterday
#31
Some of those same people are saying ethnic cleansing isn't taking place, either
Rob H.
Thursday
#18
The author admits that he is offering an opinion that is contrary to most other sources
Beastly Boy
Thursday
#8
And these facts are consistent with urban warfare involving human shields, not genocide.
Beastly Boy
Thursday
#14
Haaretz has reported extensively on the IDF's use of Palestinians as human shields
BeyondGeography
Thursday
#16
Gee, who should I listen to? A genocide expert or an "emotional healing" blogger?
AloeVera
Yesterday
#23
Gaza 2035: A Beacon of Peace and Prosperity in the Flourishing Middle East by Seth Eisenberg -
cliffside
Yesterday
#25
Between the two, the 'emotional healing" blogger appears to be more trustworthy and objective.
Beastly Boy
8 hrs ago
#38