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Ken Dayenu

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55. If Palestinians are not responsible for Hamas

Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:54 AM

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Does that mean Israelis are not responsible for the actions of the settlers? Of course they are. They are complicit. Same is true of Palestinians in Gaza and around the world. Just days after Oct 7, Palestinians were out celebrating in my city in the US. They weren't saying OMG what Hamas did was terrible.

What is happening in Gaza is terrible. We can all agree that children are not to blame and we would like to see an end to it. Trying to cast Palestinians as innocent victims and Israel as evil it is not a representation of reality. There is both good and evil in both Israeli and Palestinian society. After 75+ years of war, both communities probably have PTSD and other mental disorders. I can't imagine living like either the Israelis or the Palestinians.

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Where is the Gaza outrage in the US? [View all] Pototan Sunday OP

At this point I think a lot of people are more focused on the fascist takeover of their own country. BannonsLiver Sunday #1

I think most Americans Pototan Sunday #2

If they could, a fascist takeover of our own country wouldn't be occurring in the first place. W_HAMILTON Sunday #7

That's incorrect. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #64

lol all evidence to the contrary. BannonsLiver Sunday #27

"Most" ?? NO--- possibly only about 50 percent Jack Valentino Sunday #32

Isn't about "50%" Pototan Yesterday #36

TBH, I am struggling every damn day.... Happy Hoosier 6 hrs ago #78

Agreed JustAnotherGen Yesterday #53

I think the vast majority of Americans have some opinion on Gaza Polybius Sunday #3

Americans did seem to have a strong, priority position Pototan Sunday #4

Funny how that all died out after tsf won. sheshe2 Sunday #11

Has anyone heard a peep from Jill Stein? Pototan Sunday #12

She crawled back under her rock from whence she came. sheshe2 Sunday #15

fyi Be Leave On Yesterday #38

Could you link me to any Pototan Yesterday #40

Yes, what a surprise. BannonsLiver Sunday #28

IKR!? sheshe2 Sunday #31

Right? mcar Yesterday #58

It's almost as if a switch was flipped to the off position. sheshe2 Yesterday #59

Oh, but Jill Stein is posting both sider shite on Musk's hellsite mcar Yesterday #62

Almost like it was manufactured outrage.... NT Happy Hoosier 6 hrs ago #79

Trump has given us much else to worry about. Intractable Sunday #14

I'm guessing that you markodochartaigh Yesterday #34

Over on X - lots of Americans have it a top priority womanofthehills Yesterday #57

Kicked out of college. Kid Berwyn Sunday #5

The press should ask the questions Pototan Sunday #9

You asked about Jill Stein - I just saw some of her X posts womanofthehills Sunday #20

I don't see Trump's name in these tweets Pototan Sunday #30

Dear God, she's using Gaza to push her "both sides are the same" bullshit. SunSeeker Yesterday #33

she's done enough damage, now just rubbing it in LymphocyteLover Yesterday #35

Atrocities would be the correct term B.See Sunday #6

Agreed Pototan Sunday #10

So what would it take to actually get to that point of indefensibility, if we're not already there yet? TheRickles Yesterday #52

The point of my comment ISN'T B.See 23 hrs ago #69

Got it - apologies for misunderstanding your comment. TheRickles 23 hrs ago #70

Being silenced by Trump and Netanyahu. Initech Sunday #8

Palestine attacked Israelis civilians. Now they are stuck Melon Sunday #13

How many children need to be murdered Pototan Sunday #16

I don't think it is revenge at this point Ken Dayenu Sunday #18

In the meantime Pototan Sunday #26

If that is where Hamas is hiding Ken Dayenu Yesterday #43

Exactly. Hamas is responsible for putting civilians in harm's way. Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #49

"Palestine" did not attack Israeli civilians. AloeVera Sunday #19

Sure it did. October 7, 2023. They killed, raped, tortured Melon Sunday #22

Never mind. Have a nice evening. AloeVera Sunday #24

Perhaps you should ready some of the forensics. sheshe2 Yesterday #41

"Five men" UpInArms 6 hrs ago #76

That was Hamas BlueSpot Sunday #29

I agree it's gone to far. But Hamas is the Palestinian people. Since 2007 Melon Yesterday #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Yesterday #46

I agree it's gone too far as well Ken Dayenu Yesterday #47

No. For a start, over half of Palestinians in the occupied territories live in the West Bank, not Gaza muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #67

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If Palestinians are not responsible for Hamas Ken Dayenu Yesterday #55

The mental health of these societies is not the point right now. AloeVera Yesterday #66

I think I do understand why Palestinians would go on a rampage (or at least I can try) Ken Dayenu Yesterday #68

I nearly fell off my chair reading the title of your post (in a good way)! AloeVera 15 hrs ago #73

Understanding Ken Dayenu 7 hrs ago #75

What a fucking heartless thing to say. Condoning war crimes. Its shameful erodriguez Sunday #23

So was 10/07. sheshe2 Yesterday #42

So the systemic starvation and collective punishment of innocent people are justified? erodriguez Yesterday #45

I did not say that, now did I. sheshe2 Yesterday #60

And that's a permanent blank check for Bibi's deliberate campaign of civilian murder, is it? Orrex Sunday #25

It is difficult to be a Jew right now Ken Dayenu Yesterday #51

I would imagine that it's difficult to be a Palestinian, too. Orrex Yesterday #61

Absolutely difficult to be a Palestinian right now Ken Dayenu Yesterday #65

Really? atreides1 Yesterday #56

If there is no "land called Palestine" Mossfern 48 min ago #82

Well, there's plenty of outrage over Gaza right here. Intractable Sunday #17

One consequence of Gaza outrage in the US is shitting in the White House Martin Eden Sunday #21

America voted for Trump Ken Dayenu Yesterday #48

"Americans got exactly what they wanted" Martin Eden Yesterday #50

Aw man, the whole thing is just heartbreaking. calimary Yesterday #37

K&R spanone Yesterday #44

I feel like there's no way for that outrage to get through. If we had elected Kamala, she could have done Scrivener7 Yesterday #54

buried under anti-semitism? WhiteTara Yesterday #63

The rage burned out raging against the Biden Admin's inability to control Israel's war. maxsolomon 22 hrs ago #72

Or maybe they know they'll be doxxed, intimidated, kicked out of college, jailed, deported, lose their jobs? AloeVera 15 hrs ago #74

JVP and WOL aren't in college maxsolomon 2 hrs ago #80

Yeah, sure... AloeVera 1 hr ago #81

Right now, I'm wondering.... Happy Hoosier 6 hrs ago #77