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Violet_Crumble

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44. You are exactly right!

Thu Jul 24, 2025, 02:44 AM

Jul 24

Years ago in the early 2000's I did Genocide Studies and found I couldn't deal with the horrors of the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, the slaughter of the Herero, East Timor, colonial genocide in my own country, so I removed my emotions from what I was learning. I also learnt that successive US governments and the US people have always been reluctant to label something a genocide if it's happening in real time (Samantha Powers book 'A Problem From Hell: America and the Age Of Genocide' gives some great examples)'.

Right now after seeing photos of starving Palestinian children, I'm in no mood to deal with entitled American 'supporters' of Israel who want to get all pedantic and talk about nothing but numbers and argue about the smallest thing. Innocent children are starving and the world (excluding the US and Israel) need to do something about it. How anyone can not be horrified and appalled by what Israel is doing right now is sickening and to me those people are no better than MAGATs as far as I'm concerned. They make me sick to my core.

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I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It. [View all] BeyondGeography Jul 17 OP

K & R Celerity Jul 17 #1

"The Holy Land" Skittles Jul 17 #2

The author is not wrong irisblue Jul 17 #3

I am not a genocide scholar but I know genocide malaise Jul 17 #4

K & R democrank Jul 17 #5

I haven't seen any... druidity33 Jul 17 #6

And you will see even fewer of them. I found it utterly useless to counter opinions with facts. Beastly Boy Jul 17 #11

Nah. When neither facts nor morality are on your side, I'd be quiet too. AloeVera Jul 20 #24

Facts are on my side allright. I keep citing them again and again. Beastly Boy Jul 20 #29

With facts such as the ADL got canceled its a wonder anyone can even think of debating you. Eko Jul 20 #31

Ten minutes later, and your post didn't age well, did it? Beastly Boy Jul 20 #32

Mine aged very well. Eko Jul 20 #34

I see you are a big fan of rapid aging. Beastly Boy Jul 20 #35

I can tell you that I am not a fan of using right wing slogans. Eko Jul 21 #36

It's not genocide. nt LexVegas Jul 17 #13

You've convinced me with that compelling argument!! Violet_Crumble Jul 24 #43

Some of those same people are saying ethnic cleansing isn't taking place, either Rob H. Jul 17 #18

It's an academic argument... druidity33 Jul 17 #19

You are exactly right! Violet_Crumble Jul 24 #44

K&R spanone Jul 17 #7

The author admits that he is offering an opinion that is contrary to most other sources Beastly Boy Jul 17 #8

Why let that get in the way of the "concern"? nt LexVegas Jul 17 #9

Haaretz has some facts too BeyondGeography Jul 17 #12

And these facts are consistent with urban warfare involving human shields, not genocide. Beastly Boy Jul 17 #14

Haaretz has reported extensively on the IDF's use of Palestinians as human shields BeyondGeography Jul 17 #16

And your point is... what? Beastly Boy Jul 17 #17

You didn't read the article too closely, or something. AloeVera Jul 20 #22

Ah, thanks for bringing these passages to my attention. Beastly Boy Jul 21 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 23 #41

Why would you say that? Is it the volume of links? Violet_Crumble Jul 24 #42

Gee, who should I listen to? A genocide expert or an "emotional healing" blogger? AloeVera Jul 20 #23

Gaza 2035: A Beacon of Peace and Prosperity in the Flourishing Middle East by Seth Eisenberg - cliffside Jul 20 #25

Unbelievable. AloeVera Jul 20 #28

Spinmeister sounds right to me! "Donald Tump Square" :( nt cliffside Jul 20 #30

Between the two, the 'emotional healing" blogger appears to be more trustworthy and objective. Beastly Boy Jul 21 #38

Domicide should be listed as a war crime too when it's this widespread uponit7771 Jul 17 #10

Especially when it's domicide in aid of ethnic cleansing. AloeVera Jul 20 #21

Omer Bartov is an incredible man and scholar I have been reading and listening to for years. His book, Nanjeanne Jul 17 #15

Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jul 17 #20

Bookmarked underpants Jul 20 #26

Thanks for sharing the full article! Below is an interview from 7/17 ... cliffside Jul 20 #27

Netanyahu - Trump - Putin - it's all connnected. Initech Jul 20 #33

Genocides have a long history. The roots always seem to be based in nationalism religion, and fear. Ping Tung Jul 21 #39

Kick LymphocyteLover Jul 23 #40