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Mosby

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91. Not true at all, you are very misinformed about Judaic law.

Wed Jul 30, 2025, 06:47 PM

Jul 30

The phrase “an eye for an eye” is found in a number of places in the Bible. Does this mean that we actually poke out the eye of an eye-poker? Contrary to what some would like to claim, this phrase was never understood or applied in the literal sense. Rather, according to the Oral Torah, this is a directive for monetary compensation to the injured party, as evidenced by the Targum's translation of the phrase.

The Rambam:

How do we know that the intent of the Torah's statement with regard to the loss of a limb, "an eye for an eye," is financial restitution? That same verse continues "a blow for a blow." And with regard to the penalty for giving a colleague a blow, it is explicitly stated: "When a man strikes his colleague with a stone or a fist . . . he should pay for his being idled and for his medical expenses."5 Thus, we learn that the word tachat (תחת

mentioned with regard to a blow indicates the necessity for financial restitution, and so one can conclude that the meaning of the same word with regard to an eye or another limb is also financial restitution.6

In short, this is a figure of speech and is clearly not meant to be taken literally, just as in the English language, if you tell someone to take a bath, it doesn’t mean you want the person to rip out the plumbing and carry the tub somewhere. Nor when you say “We gave the other team a beating!” does it mean that you will find the other team bruised and bloody in the emergency ward. So too, “an eye for an eye” is not talking about eyeballs; it is merely an idiom that refers to equitable monetary compensation.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/479511/jewish/What-Does-Eye-for-an-Eye-Really-Mean.htm

This is what religious Jews believe. I don't know what Islam thinks about these passages but I suspect that they don't take it literally. Mostly it's atheists who like to pretend Bible passages are taken literally as a way to make fun of religion.

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John Stewart - "I know what I'm seeing in Gaza, [View all] womanofthehills Jul 30 OP

Within the next six weeks tens of thousands will die of starvation in Gaza Prairie Gates Jul 30 #1

Don't they remember their own Holocaust? Evolve Dammit Jul 30 #64

what about, what about, WHAT ABOUT! Skittles Jul 30 #93

They like to say "never forget." Intractable Jul 30 #98

They? sarisataka Jul 30 #99

It is important to understand that Israel does not represent Jews and Jews aren't responsible for Israel. David__77 Jul 30 #102

Is that is a very important point sarisataka Jul 30 #103

Israelis are responsible for it and all who support the Israeli government. erodriguez Jul 31 #118

This is your concern, in this moment? vanlassie Jul 30 #106

Assigning collective guilt to an entire people over the actions of a county. Yes, that is a concern to me. sarisataka Jul 30 #109

Do you think you might be protesting too much? vanlassie Jul 30 #112

No, I simply have the ability to see multiple perspectives sarisataka Jul 31 #114

The people of Gaza Bettie Jul 30 #2

And why aren't the IDF using tear gas, rubber bullets and/or flash bangs speak easy Jul 30 #6

They prefer the green-tipped bullets used to pierce ARMOUR. AloeVera Jul 30 #82

Armor piercing bullets have black tips sarisataka Jul 30 #84

Why isn't anyone I know of asking questions about crowd control? speak easy Jul 30 #85

"It's a game to some people" PatSeg Jul 30 #21

Since Israel's mass starvation campaign, I have seen many more comments questioning Israel's legitimacy. Lonestarblue Jul 30 #3

When has Israel executed prisoners? Pompoy Jul 30 #12

You may want to look at the current events.... FHRRK Jul 30 #30

You are confused. Pompoy Jul 30 #50

LOL FHRRK Jul 30 #70

Is killing prisoners a red line? Random Boomer Jul 30 #39

You people are out of control with the Israel bashing, making up stuff, get real, yes there is a difference Pompoy Jul 30 #49

Really seriously over 59,000 gazans have been killed oldmanlynn Jul 30 #68

What? angrychair Jul 30 #96

'You people'? Really? Just wow. Celerity Aug 2 #141

They literally tortured and raped Palestinian Dr Adnan Al-Bursh to death last May nt Rob H. Jul 30 #61

Israel is killing prisoners before they even become prisoners oldmanlynn Jul 30 #67

Ah, it's Israel who is evil, not the Palestinians who hide among the women and children while firing rockets etc. Pompoy Jul 30 #76

What are they fighting for? OrangeJoe Jul 31 #116

Lol, Hamas is the reason Israel hasn't driven the Palestinians into open air prison camps? Pompoy Jul 31 #120

You tell me OrangeJoe Jul 31 #123

Then much more aid will be possible to be delivered. And of course reconstruction Pompoy Aug 1 #124

Your analysis is backwards OrangeJoe Aug 1 #131

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And thanks for proving that you thought the Israelis were the bad guys even before this assault on Gaza Pompoy Aug 1 #134

I agree with you OrangeJoe Aug 2 #138

The IDF executes starving Palestinians seeking food aid. brush Jul 30 #108

Executes? Get real. Pompoy Aug 1 #125

I guess 'kill' works better for you and the pariah state? brush Aug 1 #126

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You're kind of uninformed. Guess you haven't heard that the ICC has issued an arrest warant for... brush Aug 1 #130

Lol, have they issued any arrest warrants for the Hamas? Pompoy Aug 1 #132

Yes Emile Aug 2 #139

Of course. The terrorists should all be eliminated. brush Aug 2 #143

The use of 'executes' is appropriate giving the deliberate targeting and killing of aid seekers by the IDF. It's wanton Celerity Aug 2 #140

It was always about ethnically cleansing Gaza. AloeVera Jul 30 #16

classic case of Holocaust Inversion cadoman Jul 30 #4

Mandy Patinkin too? AloeVera Jul 30 #5

did Mandy Patinkin condemn the actions of Hamas that passionately? cadoman Jul 30 #8

All lives matter equally. N/T AloeVera Jul 30 #9

and you should know that rhetorical ruse was created to diminish Black Lives Matter cadoman Jul 30 #11

Unequal lives... AloeVera Jul 30 #18

Do you suppose it's occurred to Bibi iemanja Jul 30 #54

He chose what he thought was the lesser of two evils. AloeVera Jul 30 #65

You mean except Palestinians iemanja Jul 30 #53

Unscathed? This is sad. No one is unscathed. vanlassie Jul 30 #107

How long are Bibi's cheerleaders going to play that card? Orrex Jul 30 #15

+1. Pretty soon when people hear Holocaust, they will think Gaza. dalton99a Jul 30 #29

I'm guessing his number is the Palestinian populations of Bettie Jul 30 #81

Wonderful to see this superb reply get 44 recs. Celerity Aug 2 #142

Are those questions intended to justify killing 50x more, plus mass starvation? Martin Eden Jul 30 #19

What rational person did not condemn the atrocities of 10/7? PatSeg Jul 30 #22

Mandy Patinkin didn't, apparently cadoman Jul 30 #23

Then let Bibi starve Mandy Patinkin FFS Orrex Jul 30 #33

The UN General Assembly still has not condemned Hamas's genocidal Oct. 7 rape-torture-murder spree. lapucelle Jul 30 #74

That attack was horrific. NH Ethylene Jul 30 #25

I believe in science and mathematics. mjvpi Jul 30 #43

So your math doesn't differentiate between the deaths of a Hamas fighter and a young woman at a concert? Mosby Jul 30 #44

Did you read my whole post?All lives are sacred. My math was sarcastic mjvpi Jul 30 #45

The hard core on both sides believe in traditional values, An Eye for an Eye. True? or not true? Yoyoyo77 Jul 30 #62

Not true at all, you are very misinformed about Judaic law. Mosby Jul 30 #91

Off by a factor of 10. Crunchy Frog Jul 30 #46

Perfectly said. The people with power have failed. thought crime Jul 30 #71

He says in the video that he dearly caes about Israel. I would say that would be a yes. mjvpi Jul 30 #41

No one has forgotten that Politicub Jul 30 #42

So you seem to agree it is a Holocaust? IbogaProject Jul 30 #7

armed conflict is horrible, but holocaust is an intention to decimate a people cadoman Jul 30 #10

"The people of Israel bear no ill will towards the people of Palestine." AloeVera Jul 30 #32

The Settlers are just as vicious protecting their stolen property..they have been building settlements Deuxcents Jul 31 #115

Survey says OrangeJoe Jul 31 #117

That's a distraction at best EdmondDantes_ Jul 30 #13

no distraction, the fact is you are tokenizing John and claiming that you are being silenced cadoman Jul 30 #20

I'm not being silenced, nor am I claiming such EdmondDantes_ Jul 30 #26

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It's called humanity iemanja Jul 30 #52

So "Holocaust Inversion" doesn't have to involve mentioning the Holocaust, Nazis, or WW2, according to you muriel_volestrangler Jul 30 #69

Netanyahu has achieved the unthinkable. SalamanderSleeps Jul 30 #97

not me, it is Hamas that devalues Palestinian life cadoman Jul 30 #73

Novelist David Grossman says Israeli is committing 'genocide' in Gaza, joining a rising chorus womanofthehills Aug 2 #144

Nice to see this malaise Jul 30 #14

Geez, if only he hadn't spent so much time bashing Democrats.... NT Happy Hoosier Jul 30 #17

Using the "logic" by some, 3825-87867 Jul 30 #24

People forget that "eye for an eye" is supposed to be proportional. haele Jul 30 #35

" I'll hit back a hundred times harder" - Trump. Nt AloeVera Jul 30 #38

Israel newspapers listed names & ages of those killed Oct 7 womanofthehills Jul 30 #79

"Creative Destruction" .... Schumpeter, as realized in "Trump Gaza" usonian Jul 30 #27

Israel needs to get its act together... highnooner Jul 30 #28

The problem with that Mossfern Jul 30 #31

How does Hamas every man woman and child in Gaza? Do you really believe they all believe the exalt same thing. Yoyoyo77 Jul 30 #63

How does Hamas every man, woman child etc. Yoyoyo77 Jul 30 #66

Of couse not! Mossfern Jul 30 #72

Israel has been taken over by Far Right extremists Johnny2X2X Jul 30 #34

"Risk the Jewish state by speaking out"? AloeVera Jul 30 #36

Understand your point highnooner Jul 30 #37

While I agree Hamas doesn't have the best interest of Palestinians in mind EdmondDantes_ Jul 30 #55

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus Ping Tung Jul 30 #40

Well spoken. Scruffy1 Jul 30 #100

Well said Scruffy1 Jul 30 #101

"Breaking Points" interview of sen Slotkin womanofthehills Jul 30 #47

why is Israel the only country that has to apologize for a war it did not start. jg10003 Jul 30 #51

Because it's the one starving 2 million people to death iemanja Jul 30 #56

Gaza was an autonomous self-governing area. jg10003 Jul 30 #58

I blame the country whose stated policy is to eliminate all Palestinians iemanja Jul 30 #59

where is this stated policy? jg10003 Jul 30 #77

Here iemanja Jul 30 #90

How about it being a way to have an alternative to Hamas? Pompoy Jul 31 #121

Sounds good to me iemanja Jul 31 #122

Stated policy? Where do you get your news from? Pompoy Jul 30 #78

See this link iemanja Jul 30 #88

The demand is not for an "apology" Martin Eden Jul 30 #60

Never before has the world watched the killing & maiming of thousands of kids on their phones womanofthehills Jul 30 #75

I read here all the excuses for why that boy must suffer... AloeVera Jul 30 #89

By international concensus and the UN, Gaza was still considered occupied. AloeVera Jul 30 #80

Israel murders , steals and harasses Palestinians constantly on the West Bank questionseverything Jul 30 #86

Proportion and war crimes womanofthehills Aug 1 #127

According to BBC today , IDF likes shooting little kids in the head and chest womanofthehills Aug 1 #136

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If people angrychair Jul 30 #83

Save some hate for Hamas. Pompoy Jul 30 #94

What does that have to do with anything? angrychair Jul 30 #95

THEY'RE STARVING. vanlassie Jul 30 #110

Where've you been, Jon? choie Jul 30 #87

Blaming Biden for being too old, last I checked. W_HAMILTON Jul 30 #104

Exactly. choie Jul 30 #105

he gets it Skittles Jul 30 #92

I guess he's antisemitic now. Iggo Jul 30 #111

Jon Steward would have made a wise Rabbi. He is so well reasoned (and researched) in his opinions. ... marble falls Jul 31 #113

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That's an excellent article. Forward always gets it right. Thanks for the link vanessa_ca Aug 1 #135

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We back to liking Stewart again? Didnt get the memo. nt LexVegas Aug 1 #128