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51. In this case, when I say "they" I am referring to Hamas. But you knew that already.

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WaPo lists the names of the 18,500 children in Gaza killed during the genocide. [View all] vanessa_ca Jul 31 OP

💔💔💔 ultralite001 Jul 31 #1

Heartbreaking pattyloutwo Jul 31 #2

Israel doesn't view them as children, rather as "human shields" worthy of death. David__77 Jul 31 #3

Did they also Greg_In_SF Jul 31 #4

Sounds like you are talking about Oct 7 womanofthehills Aug 1 #39

About time malaise Jul 31 #5

Yes, but I'll take it. Better late than never vanessa_ca Jul 31 #7

"... as released by the Gaza Health Ministry* ..." Oopsie Daisy Jul 31 #6

What does this mean?? Are you saying these children were not killed? still-prayin4rain Jul 31 #8

The group responsible for using human shields... Oopsie Daisy Jul 31 #16

I am saying, killing innocent people, children no less, to stop a third party is not OK. still-prayin4rain Jul 31 #18

I understand. And I am saying that Hamas has put innocent people in harm's way. Hamas is a legitimate target. Oopsie Daisy Jul 31 #19

Nobody supports or defends Hamas and to say that is disingenuous. The children being starved to death are not Hamas. still-prayin4rain Jul 31 #20

Blaming Israel for the deaths caused by Hamas is... curious. Oopsie Daisy Jul 31 #21

All these aid workers, experts, and literal pictures are lying?? still-prayin4rain Jul 31 #22

I think we have reached an impasse. Oopsie Daisy Jul 31 #23

Probably one of the most honest, incisive and brave posts on DU I've seen... AloeVera Jul 31 #24

I said no such thing. I said that the numbers coming out of the Hamas "health ministry" cannot be trusted. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #72

Nobody has called for Israel to give up. What are you talking about? Demanding they stop starving innocent people is not still-prayin4rain Aug 2 #79

That is the fault of Hamas. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #80

To make Israel look like the bad guys? Chautauquas Aug 1 #36

No, Israel is not committing murder. Hamas is intentionally using civilians as shields. Hamas is committing murder. Oopsie Daisy Aug 1 #38

So, the IDF kills and starves the "shields"? To what purpose? Ping Tung Aug 2 #48

No. Hamas is starving their own people. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #49

Blaming the victims and saying "everybody does it" is a piss poor excuse for killing people. Ping Tung Aug 2 #52

Nobody is "blaming the victim" ... I'm just telling you why it is and how it can end. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #54

The ICC sees it differently. As does most of the world who see both sides as criminals. Ping Tung Aug 2 #56

Some also claimed the victims of My Lai were "human shields" worthy of death. David__77 Aug 2 #70

Nor to mention all that were killed by the B-52s and artillery. Ping Tung Aug 2 #77

If Israel is only targeting Hamas then they have the Eko Aug 2 #68

War is not delicate surgery. It's not sterile. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #69

Wow thank you. All this time I thought Israel and hamas were using foam bullets and water ballon bombs. Eko Aug 2 #81

TLDR (Gish Gallop) Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #82

What is Israels NCV used in Gaza compared to modern western Militaries? Eko Aug 2 #83

Not my call to make. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #85

Do you even know what it stands for? What does it stand for in terms of war? Eko Aug 2 #86

Tired of the insults. Bye. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #88

How is asking a question an insult? You are the one that assumed I didnt know squat about war without asking me. Eko Aug 2 #90

Israel has the power as well, right? Eko Aug 2 #84

No. Hamas must be destroyed. I blame Hamas. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #87

Israel cant stop the war? Eko Aug 2 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Eko Aug 2 #91

Unfortunately- most know the numbers are way higher womanofthehills Aug 1 #40

And still no posts for Hamas to be held accountable for their war crimes of using human shields. Oopsie Daisy Aug 1 #42

".... they are legitimate targets" Is that how they see human beings? Ping Tung Aug 2 #50

In this case, when I say "they" I am referring to Hamas. But you knew that already. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #51

If that's the case and the IDF knows they are shooting at innocent human target why do it? Ping Tung Aug 2 #53

It's war. People die in wars. Hamas is making sure that innocent people die. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #55

I'm blaming the murderers who are pulling the triggers on either side. Ping Tung Aug 2 #57

People die in wars. Hamas makes sure innocent people die first. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #60

Do the soldiers doing the shooting know that they are murdering civilians? Are they robots? Ping Tung Aug 2 #62

War is war. Hamas are the murderers. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #63

"War is war". What a convenient euphamism for muredering people if you're on the "right" side. Ping Tung Aug 2 #64

No it's not. Hamas are murdering people. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #65

I'm not sideing with terrorists of any stripe. Even the ones wearing uniforms. Ping Tung Aug 2 #66

Then you understand why they must be defeated. And you understand that Hamas are the ones killing civilians Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #67

As I said, I don't support anyone who knowingly kills cviilians and I consider them war criminals. Ping Tung Aug 2 #73

Hamas are the ones who have the power to unilaterally end this today... or tomorrow if they wanted. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #74

Well, at least you admit that they're innocent. Over 60.000 now. Ping Tung Aug 2 #75

Admit? Weird word to use... when have I ever "denied" that they were innocent? (Answer: never.) Oopsie Daisy Aug 2 #76

Bye. Keep telling yourself that the people shooting the bullets have no responsibility for the bodies. Ping Tung Aug 2 #78

To be fair, Hamas is their elected government. I am sure they are doing all they can for their constituents. nt LexVegas Jul 31 #11

In 2006 - half of Gaza's population were not born yet or kids too young to vote womanofthehills Aug 1 #41

60000 war crunes aided and abetted by America the Beautiful. Ping Tung Jul 31 #9

60,000 war crimes. And more! vanessa_ca Jul 31 #12

The kind that will say "We didn't know" when called for an explanation. Ping Tung Jul 31 #13

Yes. And pretty soon everyone will pretend they were always against this -eom vanessa_ca Jul 31 #15

All due to the refusal of Hamas to surrender. tritsofme Jul 31 #10

I am sure that senior Hamas members and their children are doing quite well. nt LexVegas Jul 31 #14

Killing a group of innocent people as a tool to induce a third party to act in a desired manner is immoral. still-prayin4rain Jul 31 #17

Using a group of innocent people as human shields to induce a third party to act in a desired manner is a war crime. Beastly Boy Aug 1 #27

International law also prohibits starving as a method of warfare. EVERYONE agrees Hamas is bad. Repeatedly stating that still-prayin4rain Aug 1 #28

You are implying that all we can do about Hamas comes down to state Beastly Boy Aug 1 #29

Well, if we did anything to support Hamas, I would answer your question by talking about how we would use that support still-prayin4rain Aug 1 #30

Not a single post calling Hamas accountable? Well, you know what this means. Beastly Boy Aug 1 #33

Your response is so far off base of the issue that is being discussed, it's nonsensical. still-prayin4rain Aug 1 #34

Technically, we were discussing, as per your post, Beastly Boy Aug 1 #35

Again, you're taking things out of context. still-prayin4rain Aug 1 #37

In the context of the current starvation crisis, Beastly Boy Aug 1 #43

Ah, finally, a mostly on topic response - thank you still-prayin4rain Aug 1 #45

That was what I had been responding with from the start. Beastly Boy Aug 2 #46

Respectfully, I'm not sure you're fully in touch with reality. The atrocities of Hamas are universally acknowledged. still-prayin4rain Aug 2 #47

It would be far easier to self-righteously proclaim certain biases if I were not on this board to challenge them, right? Beastly Boy Aug 2 #58

Surrender means - stripped naked, blindfolded, starved and tortured womanofthehills Aug 2 #59

Add rape and you have what Hamas did to 10/7 victims RandomNumbers Aug 2 #71

"We commit genocide because you started it." Iggo Aug 2 #61

It was their misfortune to be labelled "human shields". AloeVera Aug 1 #25

International laws state it is not permissible to use human shields. International laws state that using human shields Beastly Boy Aug 1 #26

OMG this is terrible mike_c Aug 1 #31

Name their killer - Benjamin Netanyahu! Initech Aug 1 #32

Yeah, but the other guy started it. Iggo Aug 1 #44

I am stunned and sickened MorbidButterflyTat Aug 3 #92

I can only imagine the comments - I can no longer stomach them. AloeVera Aug 3 #93