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140. Yours was an imaginative and speculative post.

Thu Sep 4, 2025, 10:04 AM

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What is the real point you are trying to make? That shooting someone for trying to kick down your front door is justified? It probably would be under such extreme circumstances; Castle Doctrine laws legally allow homeowners to use deadly force to defend their homes.

The recent case of an eleven-year-old boy shot by a homeowner while running away after ringing a doorbell was discussed here at length. A number of people here expressed rather extreme views about that shooting, believing it could be justified. Most thought it was not justified, that it was murder.

Your post seems to be a veiled effort to justify the shooting of this eleven-year-old boy for simply ringing a doorbell and running away, a childish prank at worst, by using an extreme example of someone trying to actually kick down a front door. I'm not the only one who sees the point you're trying to make using an Appeal to Extremes.

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Have you ever heard of the DOOR KICK CHALLENGE? [View all] Oopsie Daisy Wednesday OP

just askin' questions, huh? uncle ray Wednesday #1

Do you have more information to share? Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #5

Par for the course. Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday #91

you're right -- being as afraid as possible is the key point here WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #2

Good Rebl2 Wednesday #3

It did. 11 year old kid. RubyRose Wednesday #29

That's Rebl2 Wednesday #57

I suspect that the police would have noticed a kicked-in door Heidi Wednesday #4

I imagine so too... but would it have been part of the report? Would reporters have included it in their stories? Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #6

Yes, we have no choice but to wait and see. Heidi Wednesday #10

The asshole JustAnotherGen Thursday #115

And Heidi Thursday #116

He was sooooo JustAnotherGen Thursday #117

Bless his heart. Heidi Thursday #119

So, kicking the door justifies murder? LearnedHand Wednesday #7

Oh please. Did I say that? GMAFB! Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #9

Given these video episodes have nothing to do with the actual murder LearnedHand Wednesday #13

I doubt that genuine "understanding" was at the apex of the motivation for that post * Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #21

Justified? Definitely not. BannonsLiver Wednesday #90

We had one attack in Missouri, 3 years ago. joanbarnes Wednesday #8

Yep- just days after getting my new screen door installed, a bunch of youths were LeftinOH Wednesday #11

That's reasonable: "I wouldn't have shot anyone." Heidi Wednesday #16

Yes, kids in our neighborhood do it. yardwork Wednesday #12

Thank you! Heidi Wednesday #14

Well, thank YOU! yardwork Wednesday #15

True. But a bit more idealistic than realistic. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #17

Childhood pranks are very common in every generation. yardwork Wednesday #20

Based on what we do know... some reasonable conclusions can be arrived at. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #22

He didn't "donkey kick" the door indusurb Wednesday #25

Gotcha. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #35

I agree senseandsensibility Wednesday #37

I think simply being aware of this dockey kick prank can prevent kids from being shot. LeftInTX Wednesday #48

You're assuming a lot about this child's parents and upbringing, why? indusurb Wednesday #24

No not all kids do these dumb things. Why do you assume that? NoRethugFriends Wednesday #26

Because I've raised kids taught kids, been around kids most of my life indusurb Wednesday #28

No, not all kids do it! Why would you think that? NoRethugFriends Wednesday #31

You and your family never did anything the slightest bit risky? indusurb Wednesday #43

I had a great childhood, as did my kids, and have my grandkids NoRethugFriends Wednesday #45

I did a lot of dumb things that my parents and grandparents and all their friends didn't witness Iris Thursday #118

You may scoff, but I know my kids and grandkids well enough to have a damn good idea. NoRethugFriends Thursday #149

My guess is many people will assert their experience as quite the opposite of yours. Torchlight Saturday #155

This was no door kick challenge indusurb Wednesday #18

Dum things on TikTok. LeftInTX Wednesday #19

Yes... that would have been preferable. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #23

What difference would that make? Kaleva Wednesday #27

Annoyance vs fear might make a big difference in... Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #36

If one is afraid, then don't go to the door Kaleva Wednesday #39

Yes. That's right. And very easy advice to give from the safety of one's keyboard... Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #49

What did the training program on home defense that you took teach you to do? Kaleva Wednesday #53

If that sort of thing is someone's "terror of the moment" they really shouldn't own guns. hunter Wednesday #96

He could have held them there at gunpoint FullySupportDems Wednesday #30

You only point a gun at someone you intend to kill Kaleva Wednesday #41

That's not true. You can hold a gun on someone to hold them there Melon Wednesday #99

Legally one can do that. Kaleva Thursday #110

I suppose that's true. I think he wanted to shoot FullySupportDems Wednesday #107

Guns can give people false sense of empowerment Kaleva Thursday #111

I think that must be true FullySupportDems Thursday #112

A gun is a tool of last resort Kaleva Thursday #120

I agree FullySupportDems Thursday #147

I didn't see any allegations that the "ding dong kid" was doing more than ringing and running. flvegan Wednesday #32

It's very disappointing. yardwork Thursday #125

If you kick in my door I will shoot. NightWatcher Wednesday #33

People who have been terrorized in their own homes... Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #38

The fact that it is only the kids that can learn a lesson from your viewpoint reveals volumes Ilikepurple Wednesday #85

This is not about me. Nice try. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #88

It's not about me, it's about satisfying my personal theories and ideas? Ilikepurple Wednesday #101

What are you to do? You are certainly welcome to share your ideas... without making it personal. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #114

Do you have a safe room? Kaleva Wednesday #42

Safe room? That's a luxury for the 1%. As far as I'm concerned, my entire home is a "safe room"... Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #51

Where did you get your training from? Kaleva Wednesday #54

Why do you care? What difference does it make? That's your answer. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #55

So we've established you have no training Kaleva Wednesday #60

This is not about me. And you are free to assume whatever you want, even if it's absurd. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #65

If you won't answer a simple question, all one can do is make assumptions Kaleva Wednesday #69

My answer is irrelevant. I know it's "important" to make this about me, but I'm not participating in that game. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #70

You wrote the OP so this is about you. Kaleva Thursday #121

Nonsense. The topic is the topic. I'm not the topic. 🤡🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Thursday #122

Your lack of training and knowledge is the topic Kaleva Thursday #123

Nope. Wrong again. Here is the text of my OP. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #126

A dumb fuck with a gun would blame this entirely on the kids Kaleva Friday #153

I agree JustAnotherGen Wednesday #86

I stopped training when I fell down the basement stairs and shattered my left shoulder Kaleva Friday #150

This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Friday #151

The child didn't kick or enter the door. yardwork Wednesday #47

Time will tell. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #52

I didn't insinuate anything. yardwork Wednesday #58

Of course you didn't insinuate anything. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #61

You did ornotna Wednesday #63

It looks like "time" has already told us what happened Lifeafter70 Wednesday #67

It's still very early in the investigation. I'll be interested in seeing the final report. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #68

You seem to want to blame everyone else for this Lifeafter70 Wednesday #71

It's not about me. I'm just pointing out facts and giving my analysis of the likely tragic series of events. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #72

You are not pointing out facts. Lifeafter70 Wednesday #74

Well, it's clear that we've reached an impasse. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #75

Nope Lifeafter70 Wednesday #76

The little kid JustAnotherGen Wednesday #95

Agree. That's just the harsh reality of it. Don't put yourself in that position in the first place. Problem solved. BannonsLiver Wednesday #92

I don't let anyone I'd care to shoot live in my head. hunter Wednesday #102

There are way more important things to be scared about. North Coast Lawyer Wednesday #34

either way Skittles Wednesday #40

I read early on he was doing a tik tok challenge Melon Wednesday #44

Just as a lot of falsehoods were spread about Trayvon Martin, we see that here. yardwork Wednesday #46

I'm not saying in any way that any child action justifies a shooting. I read and have heard that they were donkey Melon Wednesday #56

As I said, falsehoods are being spread. yardwork Wednesday #59

He knew it was pranks. He should have yelled at them or called the cops. LeftInTX Wednesday #62

Where is proof JustAnotherGen Wednesday #87

Exactly. It's printed in news articles same as your " proof". It is all in the news at this point. Melon Wednesday #97

There is not ONE news JustAnotherGen Wednesday #98

He shouldn't have killed the boy. Nobody on this board has stated that. Melon Wednesday #100

Nah JustAnotherGen Wednesday #103

"Almost every article" MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #109

It's unclear to me which he was doing. It seems unlikely that a mere ding-dong-run-away would provoke the homeowner... Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #50

Your assessment of likelihoods is way off. RockRaven Wednesday #64

Yes, I know. That's horrible, isn't it? Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #66

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity. Feel Good Inc Wednesday #78

Very true. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #82

He's a psycho with lots of guns MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #80

Yes. Definitely not in his right mind. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #81

He's being charged with capital murder JustAnotherGen Wednesday #89

I don't think we know all of the facts yet on either side. hamsterjill Wednesday #73

We probably have enough facts to make a reasoned assumption. Ilikepurple Wednesday #83

You aren't going to be able to talk sense into a crazy idiot with a gun. hamsterjill Wednesday #84

We have criminal laws as an attempt to control the behavior a crazy idiots with guns. Ilikepurple Wednesday #105

I don't think I've told others that they must abandon their parental methods. hamsterjill Wednesday #106

Another good thing JustAnotherGen Wednesday #93

You bring up a good point. hamsterjill Wednesday #104

The media LOVES to take a few minor incidences and turn it into a 'trend'. Feel Good Inc Wednesday #77

Ahh yes - and the Halloween Candy Poisoning 1983 JustAnotherGen Thursday #124

More than "a few" ... this is definitely a trend / fad that' gotten out of hand. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #133

No it's not lmao Feel Good Inc Thursday #146

The homeowner was arrested and charged with murder MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #79

Indeed he did JustAnotherGen Wednesday #94

+1 MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #108

There is no purpose Lifeafter70 Thursday #113

More like Death Wish challenge. Brainfodder Thursday #127

Let's see JustAnotherGen Thursday #130

Your post is the perfect example of an "Appeal to Extremes." sop Thursday #128

Right. Sure it is. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #129

It's the textbook example. sop Thursday #132

That's an imaginative take. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #134

Yours was an imaginative and speculative post. sop Thursday #140

Well... your take is wrong. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #141

So, what is the purpose of your post? sop Thursday #142

That question has been asked and answered, repeatedly, in many different ways. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #143

No one is harassing and bullying you. It's merely an interesting exchange of ideas and viewpoints. sop Thursday #144

Yes... sure... that's all it is. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #145

We saw this when Trayvon Martin was murdered. yardwork Thursday #137

Kicking a door in is asking to be legally shot. This is a stupid game with lethal rewards. marble falls Thursday #131

However, the child who was murdered didn't kick anything. yardwork Thursday #135

No shit, he was ambushed and shot in the back, I think you are conflating two different events. marble falls Thursday #136

The OP is conflating two different events. yardwork Thursday #138

No it's not.... it asked a question and provided context. We have our answer... he did not donkey-kick the door. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #139

What one can legally do isn't always the same as what one should do Kaleva Friday #152

What an unambiguously delightful exchange Orrex Thursday #148

Did I log into Nextdoor by accident? Or is this DU? Blue_Adept Friday #154

Tiktok needs to issue permanent bans pinkstarburst Saturday #156

Ringing and running is fairly innocuous behavior. DemocratSinceBirth Saturday #157