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20. MaddowBlog-Why the White House's unpersuasive pitch on the 'birthday book' seems so familiar
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 01:53 PM
Sep 9

Republicans had to choose: acknowledge the letter as legitimate or insist that a Trump-signed document wasn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

There’s an approach to reality that says a Trump-signed document isn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

It’s the same approach that says job numbers are fake. And polls are fake. And election results are fake. And science is fake. And evidence of crimes is fake. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-09-09T13:13:45.110Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-donald-trump-rcna230024

Eight weeks later, the story took a rather dramatic turn. My MSNBC colleague Erum Salam reported on the new batch of material from the Epstein estate released by Democrats on the U.S. House Oversight Committee — including the contents of the so-called “birthday book.” From the report:

A copy of the book submitted to Congress (which was not reviewed by MSNBC) included a typed message, inside the outline of a woman’s torso, that read, in part, ‘A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.’ At the bottom of the message is a signature that appears to be Donald Trump’s.

The image looks like the one the Journal described in July.

BREAKING: House Oversight Committee Dems posted this photo of what appears to be Trump's birthday note to Epstein.

Trump previously denied the note and drawing's existence. MSNBC has not independently verified the drawing. The WH has denied the signature belongs to the president.

MSNBC (@msnbc.com) 2025-09-08T20:02:54.216Z


......White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed that it’s “very clear” that Trump didn’t draw the figure or sign the letter. Other White House officials pushed the same line, and true to form, several congressional Republicans soon followed, echoing the new party line.

At face value, the pushback was — and is — difficult to take seriously. The signature on the letter resembles other documents from that era that Trump signed.

ThAt’a nOt TrUmP’s SiGnAtUrE www.wsj.com/us-news/law/...

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-08T21:38:29.142Z


For that matter, it’s difficult to imagine how the document in question could’ve been fabricated in the first place. As CNN’s Aaron Blake summarized, “The key fact here is that this comes from Epstein’s estate. In other words, for this letter to have been fake, someone would have had to plant it in Epstein’s possessions a long time ago, somehow.”.......

There’s a quote that’s often attributed to political theorist Hannah Arendt: “This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.” As it happens, Arendt didn’t actually say this (at least not exactly), but the quote resonates because of its salience:

Trump obviously tries to get people to believe lies all the time, but nearly as often, the president and his allies try to get people to give up on the idea that facts exist. With too many Americans, these tactics are effective, which helps explain why they’ve become so common.

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It's not a drawing of a nude woman. [View all] littlemissmartypants Sep 9 OP
Not prepubescent female body. FalloutShelter Sep 9 #1
Ultimate objectification of a person as thing to be used: no identity (head) no arms (resistance). Bernardo de La Paz Sep 9 #3
The X-Files had an episode called "Home" that was about as chilling as that sick drawing. Texin Sep 9 #17
I remember that episode! rhiannon55 Sep 9 #37
I can't listen to Johnny Mathis without thinking of that episode. cloudbase Sep 10 #51
No legs to run away. Farmer-Rick Sep 10 #50
No face. No eyes to look back at him. littlemissmartypants Sep 9 #5
Thank you for that observation. When I first saw this drawing, it allegorical oracle Sep 9 #7
This was exactly my reaction too. Bluetus Sep 9 #16
So true, but still republicans deny trump Mtnmama Sep 9 #8
"He's not an artist." Hell no!!! calimary Sep 9 #19
Rumor is they killed the boys they used. Blue Full Moon Sep 9 #10
The lack of arms, legs and head was the first thing I noticed, BadgerMom Sep 9 #15
Now that you brought up that chilling thought, who does own & have jurisdiction over that property? Hekate Sep 9 #18
I have said from the start mercuryblues Sep 9 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Mossfern Sep 9 #27
True! yellow dahlia Sep 9 #34
And as if that was not sufficiently perverted for Trump and his kind, there's that $22,000 RVN VET71 Sep 10 #47
THIS malaise Sep 9 #2
Excellent point. OLDMDDEM Sep 9 #4
Right on the mark!! bluestarone Sep 9 #6
I thought the same when I first saw it, Silver Gaia Sep 9 #9
Might possibly be the "secret" he referred to with Epstein. n/t dixiegrrrrl Sep 9 #11
K&R. Wednesdays Sep 9 #12
Yes I agree Sea A Chell Sep 9 #13
Narrow shoulders - tick speak easy Sep 9 #14
Correct misanthrope Sep 9 #22
"public" hair? niyad Sep 10 #40
My autocorrect does that TommyT139 Sep 10 #42
Will keep that in mind. One is reminded, in the opposite direction, niyad Sep 10 #43
MaddowBlog-Why the White House's unpersuasive pitch on the 'birthday book' seems so familiar LetMyPeopleVote Sep 9 #20
This is why ... littlemissmartypants Sep 9 #21
Makes sense. Like the "fog of war," djt lives in a "fog of life." allegorical oracle Sep 9 #25
Boxing Helena Pachamama Sep 9 #24
What he drew was an abstraction that looks like a seamstress's dummy. LAS14 Sep 9 #26
Hefty? What exactly does that mean? littlemissmartypants Sep 9 #29
wide waist and hips LAS14 Sep 9 #31
Girls can go through puberty pretty early ecstatic Sep 10 #53
I was talking about the drawing. nt LAS14 Sep 10 #55
My question as well Mossfern Sep 9 #33
Keep trying. niyad Sep 10 #57
A sketch of a teenager EarthAbides Sep 9 #28
When you think about how Jilly_in_VA Sep 9 #30
I posted this last night. BidenRocks Sep 9 #32
You have it right! yellow dahlia Sep 9 #35
Somebody menttioned that before, when we first heard about this. niyad Sep 10 #41
From Ghislaine, perhaps? yellow dahlia Sep 10 #54
Perhaps. He certainly did not come up with it on his own. Coded language? niyad Sep 10 #56
Right. yellow dahlia Sep 10 #58
Like when he learned "groceries" recently. niyad Sep 10 #60
Exactly! yellow dahlia Sep 10 #61
A very frightened one. niyad Sep 10 #62
Very clearly not. "Enigmas never age." Karasu Sep 9 #36
It's just a sketch of a generic female form swong19104 Sep 9 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 10 #45
Sorry, wrong thread. littlemissmartypants Sep 10 #46
Sorry, there is plenty to be read into that drawing. Why the dismissive tone? niyad Sep 10 #59
Because the dude swong19104 Sep 10 #64
You see what you see. Others see different things, being all-too- familiar niyad Sep 10 #65
And all I'm saying is swong19104 Sep 10 #66
Jeff Tiedrich said the same thing - it's a early teen GIRL! Grins Sep 9 #39
Trump has just given every male MAGA voter who worries about his young daughter Aussie105 Sep 10 #44
Pretty sure those daughters need to be worrying about the fathers. niyad Sep 10 #63
Precisely orangecrush Sep 10 #48
We need to see DownriverDem Sep 10 #49
President Pubic Hair lapfog_1 Sep 10 #52
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