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Martin Eden

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20. Atreus, I agree with and applaud everything in your OP -- except the subject title
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:18 AM
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Voter suppression, fraud, and schemes to overturn free and fair elections are direct attacks on democracy. J6 was the single greatest direct assault on our Democracy. Assassination of an elected official is also direct, because it overturned the choice of voters.

The killing of Charlie Kirk was a direct attack on free speech, which is a component of democracy. This may sound like nit picking or semantics, but I think the term "direct" is a bit of a stretch.

My view is likely colored by the fact that Kirk's influential rhetoric in support of Donald Trump and what he represents contributes to the very real ongoing direct assault on American democracy.

Of course, we should all remember the principle of "disagree with what you say, but defend to the death your right to say it."

So, maybe I need to reassess my objection to your subject title. Charlie Kirk certainly deserved to be rejected and publicly disgraced for his destructive poisonous rhetoric, but not to be killed for saying it.

I feel the same way about Donald Trump. Don't make him a martyr. Reject his poison, remove him from office, and see that justice is served. I want him to spend what remains of his life in prison, paying for his crimes.

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If a lone gunman assassinating a purveyor of hate is a threat to our democracy, then surely mass shootings lostincalifornia Friday #1
Facts! Atreus Friday #8
Who decides who fits the description of purveyor of hate? RoseTrellis Friday #12
I leave it to you to "debate" who is a purveyor of hate or not. I don't have any confusion about it, and I sure lostincalifornia Friday #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Friday #21
Every time Trump's polls drop, a shooter shows up to boost his approval mainer Friday #2
yep bigtree Friday #3
What's your solution Atreus gab13by13 Friday #4
Not More Violence Atreus Friday #10
Nobody on here is advocating killing anyone. For their beliefs or for any other reason. Crunchy Frog Friday #14
Closing Thoughts Atreus Friday #16
Why is it "political violence" when it could be typical "gun violence" blm Friday #5
A point: Kirk was not a government official. This was a murder. Not an assassination. Scrivener7 Friday #6
Thank you Ghost of Tom Joad Friday #15
Killing a social media personality is not as big an attack on Democracy as killing state politicians Johnny2X2X Friday #7
Yes, and so is using a random killing to try to foment violence against political opponents. Crunchy Frog Friday #9
The problem is Trump. Emile Friday #11
I disagree Fiendish Thingy Friday #13
Motive OC375 Friday #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Friday #19
Atreus, I agree with and applaud everything in your OP -- except the subject title Martin Eden Friday #20
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