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88. He was not a small figure

Sat Sep 13, 2025, 04:26 AM

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Turning Points USA is active in 3000 high schools and colleges with around 650,000 Republican youth
members.

A Turning Points debate on Israel between Josh Hammer & Dave Smith in July dominated social media talk for a week. Republican kids at Turning Points were clapping for Libertarian Dave Smith - the anti genocide debator. This upset lots of older pro Israel Republicans who got really angry with Kirk for holding a debate on Israel. This is why thousands on x believe a Republican killed Kirk - the division over Israel.

Gavin Newsome shared a story after Kirk’s death. Newsome said when he was meeting Kirk, his 13 yr old son wanted to ditch school and meet Kirk. He said, of course he made his son go to school. What does this mean? Do lots of kids know who Kirk is?????

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This is NOT a national tragedy! [View all] edhopper Friday OP

I'd sure like to know what's behind it n/t leftstreet Friday #1

It's a RW influencer tragedy! And personal tragedy for his family. LeftInTX Friday #2

Well, since his children are 1 and 3, TNNurse Friday #21

Yikes. They'll be tramatized by it over time MadameButterfly Friday #25

They'd be equally traumatized if he lived. paleotn Friday #35

and they'd be reallly lousy human beings MadameButterfly Friday #36

Exactly. paleotn Friday #45

Not necessarily. Trump is a Grade A prick. 3Hotdogs Friday #59

I share that sentiment. yellow dahlia Friday #77

Post removed Post removed Friday #81

I was 10 when my father died. TNNurse Friday #57

Their mother is no less bigoted Random Boomer 18 hrs ago #93

He said if his daughter was raped at 10 JenniferJuniper Friday #37

I hope, when she is of age, she learns that. intrepidity Friday #79

Absolutely! Bayard Friday #3

Our media is broken. spanone Friday #4

As is our country, in large part because of the media. Eliot Rosewater Friday #6

Most who voted for thr Felon in Chief Dark n Stormy Knight 17 hrs ago #96

Excellent way of putting it, and even though it's been shown to them Eliot Rosewater 16 hrs ago #102

That is what will forever blow my mind. Dark n Stormy Knight 12 hrs ago #112

How would you go about fixing it? (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Friday #49

I have no clue. Journalism appears dead. spanone Friday #51

As separate statements, those coroborate each other. (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Friday #62

I don't think political killings are good for nation, no matter how you cut it. Whether it's an incel, trumspter, Antifa Silent Type Friday #5

Political killings may not be good for the country, PoindexterOglethorpe Friday #13

That is definitely a good outcome, especially if it doesn't hurt us in elections. Silent Type Friday #17

It might. hurts us in elections MadameButterfly Friday #26

If it's a true that this was Right-on-Right violence, I am not sure how it hurts us at the ballot box. nt Gore1FL Friday #71

if that message gets through to the MAGAs MadameButterfly Friday #76

I totally agree. Khrushchev said, and we are seeing it. phxjurist Friday #18

What in the OP says it's good? dpibel Friday #20

OP says it ranks low on assassination meter, I disagree. I think trumpsters take it seriously and Silent Type Friday #24

But treating Kirk like a Kennedy MadameButterfly Friday #28

Not a POTUS or Senator etc leftstreet Friday #29

It does. edhopper Friday #42

It ranks high because most everyone viewed it instead of just reading about it womanofthehills Yesterday #87

Did I say it was good edhopper Friday #41

Pretty much said it ranked low on totem pole. But it's not that big a deal. If I remember, WW2 started with Silent Type Friday #44

That was WWI not WWII MLWR Friday #48

Who was heir to the throne Nasruddin Friday #72

Nah, it wasn't lonely bird 19 hrs ago #92

That was WWI edhopper Friday #54

Not quite accurate. Torchlight 17 hrs ago #97

He was not a small figure womanofthehills Yesterday #88

It wasn't a "political killing" or a political assassination. It was an internecine battle between cults. erronis Friday #56

But it's looking like this wasn't even a political killing . . . markpkessinger Friday #63

Thank you. COL Mustard 20 hrs ago #90

There once was a time where people generally agreed that all ideas should be tested with 'exposure to sunlight' ClaudetteCC 18 hrs ago #95

Agree, although certainly the gun culture as a whole... ananda Friday #7

Our media is gone AStern Friday #8

The only national tragedy I see here is that ... pat_k Friday #9

I like your "perhaps every governor..." argument. calimary Friday #52

I'm writing a message to WA Gov Bob Ferguson's office pat_k Friday #60

I'd guess every outlet in the political online universe has somebody keeping an eye out. calimary Friday #66

I'm waiting for tsf to have his casket interred on the WH lawn. rubbersole Friday #10

We'll do a Cromwell on him once we take that house back. paleotn Friday #38

How 'bout the front gate... rubbersole Friday #80

They made it a huge deal because they thought it would be a good StarryNite Friday #11

They are looking for excuses to MadameButterfly Friday #30

Hell, they were desperate for him to be that! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 21 hrs ago #89

My mom and dad voted for John Kennedy. That asshat was no John Kennedy Bengus81 Friday #12

The media mentions the trauma of his brutal murder Mtnmama Friday #14

"Why haven't we done anything to address the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction?" Dulcinea Friday #32

None of my family, neighbors or friends knew who he was before this week wishstar Friday #15

I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about politics in general. llmart Friday #64

time to spend the evening with a book NJCher Friday #16

I only saw it channel surfing edhopper Friday #19

I'm done with MSNBC and CNN AverageOldGuy Friday #22

I'm clinging to MSNBC with all its faults MadameButterfly Friday #33

AFAIAC, charlie kirk is already buried. lastlib Friday #23

Way over the top coverage for just one killing. Emile Friday #27

Well he was a big fish in the right wing sewer. Conjuay Friday #67

I assure you I have gone about my life very normally these last few days Justice Brandeis Friday #31

Um. Any relation? MadameButterfly Friday #34

I just saw a clip where Charlie Kirk said we need to bring back public executions, and they should be televised.. crimycarny Friday #39

YEP. Where was all this mourning and martyring when the two Dems and their dog ... CousinIT Friday #40

Well, the world lost an irreplaceable giant dalton99a Friday #43

CK is the victim of a MAGA civil war. Sneederbunk Friday #46

And there is certainly more coverage of this bullshit than there EVER is with mass school shootings. BigDemVoter Friday #47

Since the right wing controls most media now Diraven Friday #50

While it's true that in both cases there was zero chance of survival from the type of wounds... Montauk6 Friday #53

I can't even watch msnbc anymore kimbutgar Friday #55

I turned it off after the election too BlueSpot Friday #83

Ah grasshopper, it is a tragedy that they call it a tragedy. twodogsbarking Friday #58

It's nauseating. nt mcar Friday #61

The tragedy EnergizedLib Friday #65

How is Kirk's death any different than the daily deaths, in America, from gun violence? dlk Friday #68

I tuned into the Bears-Pack game Hassler Friday #69

It's the sudden canonization of Kirk that I find nauseating. That he died tragically does not change that. SunSeeker Friday #70

40000 gun deaths a year and this was the BIG ONE? Give me a fucking break. NoMoreRepugs Friday #73

The first time that Republicans have responded to a school shooting RainCaster Friday #74

I'm genuinely pissed off at all the businesses, etc., flying the flag bullwinkle428 Friday #75

I don't know if I'd agree with that assessment. I can see the argument that it's a national tragedy in a couple ways. Jedi Guy Friday #78

Nope, not a national tragedy. Just another gun nut killing, and the person killed supported gun nuts. Martin68 Friday #82

It may well turn out to be a national tragedy soldierant Yesterday #84

Yes. I just pleaded my spouse to turn off KCAL 9. C Moon Yesterday #85

It is a national tragedy. Aussie105 Yesterday #86

No Not In The Least - and let me just point out one minor detail - Lokee11 19 hrs ago #91

Agreed. I remember much less outcry when Squeaky Fromme shot at Gerald Ford. no_hypocrisy 18 hrs ago #94

Kirk's death is absolutely simply one among thousands. BobTheSubgenius 17 hrs ago #98

I think... SickOfTheOnePct 17 hrs ago #99

Do you know think it warrants edhopper 15 hrs ago #103

No SickOfTheOnePct 11 hrs ago #113

Melissa Hortman. Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #100

It's Just the Unremarkable Death Of Yet Another Hatemonger MrWowWow 16 hrs ago #101

I never heard of him before this week. milestogo 15 hrs ago #104

This is part of the national tragedy... returnee 15 hrs ago #105

Except edhopper 15 hrs ago #107

That's the story... returnee 13 hrs ago #111

My neighbor, three doors down, has his American flag at half mast. Turbineguy 15 hrs ago #106

It is a litmus test. edhopper 15 hrs ago #108

There are 188 houses in our subdivision. Turbineguy 14 hrs ago #109

I'm glad to say I didn't waste one second watching any M$M coverage of any of it Blue Owl 14 hrs ago #110