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Ms. Toad

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53. You've analyzed a different question than you asked.

Tue Nov 4, 2025, 10:45 PM

Nov 4

unlikeable v. worse than Trump.

I voted for both Clinton and Harris.

I wasn't thrilled with either. Clinton is too much of a politician - her views changed with the political winds, and she was too willing to be part of the war machine. Harris was tone-deaf on pocketbook economy and Palestine and failed to distance herself from Biden on those two issues. I think she may have had different views - but was reluctant to criticize the president for whom she served as vice president..

That said, I'm unlikely to be thrilled with any candidate from the two major parties, and the reality is that no one outside of the two major parties will become president in the foreseeable future. And both were clearly better than Trump.

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Can anyone explain what made Hillary/Kamala so unlikeable? [View all] EnergizedLib Nov 4 OP

Boobies Happy Hoosier Nov 4 #1

We do. Always have. Hope that changes. They were both right. Srkdqltr Nov 4 #59

Gina. sheshe2 Nov 5 #78

People thought Clinton looked down on them Henry203 Nov 4 #2

yep... a black woman was NEVER gonna win the presidency democratsruletheday Nov 4 #10

Sexism... ZDU Nov 4 #3

They were unlikable because they didn't have a penis. nt Wednesdays Nov 4 #4

I had doubts bucolic_frolic Nov 4 #5

I didn't like Hillary but I still voted for her. ananda Nov 4 #6

Hatred of women because of religion Blue Full Moon Nov 4 #7

Misogyny Bettie Nov 4 #8

So why was it that 55% of white women voted for Trump? UniqueUserName Nov 5 #87

By Whom? Millions of People Liked Them. Cha Nov 4 #9

Both Clinton and Harris won VA. 58Sunliner Nov 4 #11

Small, stupid people with small, stupid minds. (nt) Paladin Nov 4 #12

I think women candidates in general have to straddle a crazy "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't" crimycarny Nov 4 #13

Fox News Initech Nov 4 #14

People feeding into the bullshit that they were unlikable. Like this OP. nt LexVegas Nov 4 #15

If they were likeable EnergizedLib Nov 4 #18

Why was Bernie so unlikable that he couldnt get out of the primary? nt LexVegas Nov 4 #21

I remember superdelegates and the DNC clearly preferring Hillary EnergizedLib Nov 4 #24

She got more votes than Bernie. Sparkly Nov 4 #64

That part hierarchy wasnt going to let Bernie get any traction. CentralMass Nov 5 #77

Likability isn't Bernie's problem at all. Never has been. thought crime Nov 5 #80

Here's a likability test: when a man laughs, what do you hear? A chuckle, a hearty guffaw? Hekate Nov 4 #45

Exactly. The same people that claimed HRC was too shrill, didn't show enough emotions, then said Kamala laughed too much tulipsandroses Nov 4 #56

Bingo Cosmocat Nov 4 #51

Too many Americans think that the presidency is the top of macho mountain. No girls allowed. Walleye Nov 4 #16

Some didn't like Kamala's laugh. For me, it's her voice. But I damn sure got out and voted for her!!! hamsterjill Nov 4 #17

She didn't just lose white males. She lost black males and Hispanics as well.... Melon Nov 4 #48

All of that seems crazy to me. Sparkly Nov 4 #66

I disagree. Your assumption is that people vote against something Melon Nov 5 #82

I think it's VAGINA Maru Kitteh Nov 4 #19

Or, in other words, lack of PENIS. GoCubsGo Nov 5 #90

Fascinating that no one's getting to this Terry_M Nov 4 #20

I can't say I'm overly enthralled with establishment, business as usual politics and politicians EnergizedLib Nov 4 #22

The next election is not about what you want. It's not about what I want Terry_M Nov 4 #23

And yet, trump not being establishment EnergizedLib Nov 4 #26

I will hold my nose and vote for Cory Booker and be unhappy over it Terry_M Nov 4 #28

Too smart for a lot of people. milestogo Nov 4 #25

smart women threaten dumb men DBoon Nov 4 #65

I like both of them. orangecrush Nov 4 #27

NOTHING. it's B.S! elleng Nov 4 #29

Thank you. Enough already. yorkster Nov 4 #54

What wasn't between their legs Freddie Nov 4 #30

Hillary was so unlikable she won the popular vote. tinrobot Nov 4 #31

Just not enough to knock off the biggest farce ever perpetrated on our country, right? EnergizedLib Nov 4 #35

It's because of the oldest gerrymander in the country tinrobot Nov 5 #96

I voted for both of them, they were both likable. Neither were my first choice and gender had Autumn Nov 4 #32

I think it's a lot of reasons rather than one big reason EdmondDantes_ Nov 4 #33

I gotta say... dpibel Nov 4 #68

I think you kinda answered your own question GusBob Nov 4 #34

Their chromosomes misanthrope Nov 4 #36

They were both intelligent women and the Right were at the peak of a misogynist movement. Baitball Blogger Nov 4 #37

Hate to break it to you, but they both lacked the sine qua non of American presidential qualifications: a penis Hekate Nov 4 #38

not a goddamn thing bigtree Nov 4 #39

Governorships are not the presidency EnergizedLib Nov 4 #41

presidential elections are binary bigtree Nov 4 #42

I'm trying to see how we can get out of this nightmare EnergizedLib Nov 4 #47

it makes sense as a rhetorical question bigtree Nov 5 #97

Hillary suffered because of... Blasphemer Nov 4 #40

They weren't worse. yellow dahlia Nov 4 #43

Don't peddle right-wing talking points, smears, or sources Melon Nov 4 #44

I'm not giving my own personal opinion EnergizedLib Nov 4 #46

It's always worth asking. But I feel like people here blame the voters. Melon Nov 4 #49

As far as Hillary is concerned, a explicit campaign against her started when she was First Lady of Arkansas. Sogo Nov 4 #50

Millions of bots mahina Nov 4 #52

You've analyzed a different question than you asked. Ms. Toad Nov 4 #53

In my opinion, both were better EnergizedLib Nov 4 #61

Hate to say it, their voices IbogaProject Nov 4 #55

Cuz sounding "presidential" means sounding male. Sparkly Nov 4 #62

No just many races are won by the smoother talker IbogaProject Nov 4 #69

Which is better? Baritone or Tenor? Sounds like Alto and Soprano just won't cut it. Ya think? Hekate Nov 4 #72

Hilary beat Bernie IbogaProject Nov 4 #75

Misogyny and racism and anti-intellectualism. Two VERY SMART, niyad Nov 4 #57

This Hekate Nov 4 #73

Russia bots on all social media focused on weak minded voters, the same russian cyberwar that calls in yaesu Nov 4 #58

They were women. bamagal62 Nov 4 #60

word CatWoman Nov 4 #74

black and woman. next question dsp3000 Nov 4 #63

E Skum's (N-ZA) dweller Nov 4 #67

Algorithim-fueled propaganda. legallyblondeNYC Nov 4 #70

If past history is a guide, they both had an uphill climb. MichMan Nov 4 #71

George Bush was sitting VP in 1988 ITAL Nov 5 #79

Correct, but as you noted, that still means still once in the last 188 years MichMan Nov 5 #88

They both have XX chromosomes. Laffy Kat Nov 5 #76

We (and Biden in 2020) got to run against Trump's MAGA control of our government. W_HAMILTON Nov 5 #81

Why lump them together? BWdem4life Nov 5 #83

Look at who won tonight flamingdem Nov 5 #84

Hillary voted most admired woman for 17 years in a row, popular senator (Al Franken describes betsuni Nov 5 #85

I have theories but they're just my opinions Samael13 Nov 5 #86

Comey and racism maxrandb Nov 5 #89

Political spin and sealions nt Torchlight Nov 5 #91

Dudes dont like a woman with more power sunflowerseed Nov 5 #92

Utter Stupidity! MineralMan Nov 5 #93

The obvious reason of course. Yes, there are other reasons, but let's face it, directly or indirectly, a lot of it was.. themaguffin Nov 5 #94

Both had to run after a democratic president had been in office pinkstarburst Nov 5 #95