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jmowreader

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109. That's one way to look at it, and I believe it to be true

Thu Nov 6, 2025, 01:40 PM

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Given that, to put Trump in office required A LOT of fucking around at all levels of the election apparatus, from precinct to state board of elections. Most of the people who did the fucking around are still there and could have fucked around with this election if they so desired. However, the vote has to be close enough to make fucking around look plausible...no one would ever believe Trump legitimately took Massachusetts, California or Hawaii, but they could believe he legitimately took Michigan or North Carolina.

A larger problem with this election, for the fucking-arounders, is that a year of Trump has caused A LOT of pain to the electorate. You've got much higher prices, goon squads in the streets, and that orange bastard has started tearing down the White House.

The reason for the blowout is simple: The margins between the D and R candidates were high enough no one would believe the results if elections were flipped.

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My Spidey senses are acting up [View all] Aviation Pro Nov 5 OP

No I think Americans got a wake up call Bluestocking Nov 5 #1

Correct. The facts of 2025 trump the propaganda of 2024. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 5 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author off-the-clock Thursday #126

Disagree. NoRethugFriends Nov 5 #5

My theory is they don't fuck with the special elections and off-year elections, because yellow dahlia Nov 5 #19

Or did Musk tell dumpie he wasn't going to help him anymore? KS Toronado Nov 5 #40

Another possibility. yellow dahlia Nov 5 #42

Oh absolutely PatSeg Nov 5 #50

We don't get to "rest easy" for awhile. yellow dahlia Nov 5 #63

Yes and once we are back in power, PatSeg Nov 5 #75

Yes! yellow dahlia Nov 5 #77

For sure! Chemical Bill Nov 5 #64

Yes, the whole voter suppression PatSeg Nov 5 #76

This is is why I feel like we have to start today, preparing people to vote Alice B. Thursday #95

Why didn't they fix the Lake/Gallego race in AZ? BannonsLiver Nov 5 #58

Because they had facts this time they didn't have last time. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #84

Agreed. It was a real confluence of bad stuff Hekate Nov 5 #3

I agree, just like there was in 2020 obamanut2012 Nov 5 #4

And we know they tried. Chemical Bill Nov 5 #65

Here's some data Richluu Nov 5 #6

not really data, but a complicated theory... and if Musk had this magic control LymphocyteLover Friday #148

Honestly I'd point fingers at Texas and Florida for starters. Initech Nov 5 #7

you'd have to be a damn fool to think NJCher Nov 5 #8

"They lost because I wasn't on the ballot" tinrobot Nov 5 #14

Yep Blue_Roses Nov 5 #21

That is my assumption... returnee Thursday #88

Vote tampering ms.pamela Nov 5 #9

I'd like to see voting machines made illegal KS Toronado Nov 5 #56

I agree. but... returnee Thursday #89

That was always obvious. ananda Nov 5 #10

Absolutely Chemical Bill Nov 5 #11

But they just forgot to steal a single race this time? tritsofme Nov 5 #12

It would be hard to cover up in elections of this nature IMHO. n/t rzemanfl Nov 5 #15

Polls showed a close election in New Jersey, Virginia AG race too. Why not steal one? tritsofme Nov 5 #17

Out of 50 states, how many had elections yesterday? rzemanfl Nov 5 #25

33 states had elections yesterday. Wiz Imp Nov 5 #32

Many. There were a lot of local elections. yellow dahlia Nov 5 #33

Why are you asking Democrats? Chemical Bill Nov 5 #30

I'm just asking folks choosing to push ridiculous Trump-style conspiracy theories. tritsofme Nov 5 #36

Yeah, Chemical Bill Nov 5 #66

There were no national elections. hurple Nov 5 #20

So they can steal the presidency but not a Virginia AG race? Pretty lousy supervillains. tritsofme Nov 5 #22

I know, right? It's clear that it's not just MAGAs who are capable of convincing themselves Wiz Imp Nov 5 #27

What's in it for the supervillains to have the AG of Virginia in their camp? rzemanfl Nov 5 #29

The focus on Republicans being massively unpopular losers isn't exactly good for business. tritsofme Nov 5 #35

A Republican AG n Virginia could effectively block a lot of progressive legislation which Wiz Imp Nov 5 #49

I think you are giving this Republican AG magical powers. rzemanfl Nov 5 #71

Yes. That is my theory. yellow dahlia Nov 5 #34

eLoon got what he wanted, no need to help this time ecstatic Thursday #82

Not close enough tintinvotes Thursday #85

Sounds like many have adopted Trump's axiom as their own, that elections are only legitimate when I win. tritsofme Thursday #86

Not worth the risk of detection; plus maintain illusion of democracy. Possible. Nt lostnfound Thursday #122

It's being discussed here, in a public forum. Why would detection be a concern in your conspiracy theory? tritsofme Thursday #125

You misunderstood me and misrepresent my POV in last paragraph "as a vicious attack" lostnfound Friday #135

Don't you hate it when people put words in your mouth? yellow dahlia Friday #141

The judge's ruling in the Rockland County 2024 election fraud case is due before 11/11. in2herbs Nov 5 #13

Mine too, for a different reason. The more it looks like the US is turning on the WH and GOP, the more wiggs Nov 5 #16

Yes Blue_Roses Nov 5 #18

Yep. It was stolen by the muskrat... MaeScott Nov 5 #23

Then why didn't those same people "fuck around with the vote" this year? Wiz Imp Nov 5 #24

How do you know they didn't? Chemical Bill Nov 5 #31

OMG. I can't believe I'm reading such nonsense here. Wiz Imp Nov 5 #44

It's just difficult for me to accept that folks can be that plain stupid. tritsofme Nov 5 #55

I think it comes from people who can't wrap their heads around how much the country had soured on incumbents last year. BannonsLiver Nov 5 #59

there is also a basic inability (unwillingness) for people to admit stopdiggin Thursday #102

Proof of a declaration is immaterial? Chemical Bill Nov 5 #62

Yes. Virtually any declaration issuing forth from THIS individual stopdiggin Thursday #97

It is more difficult to pull off in the off-year and smaller elections, and special elections. yellow dahlia Nov 5 #41

No. Absolutely not. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 5 #26

Voting machines were compromised. Blue Full Moon Nov 5 #48

I'm sorry, but I'm going with "our elections are honest." PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 5 #54

Have you read The Conyers Report? Chemical Bill Nov 5 #67

I'm with you. A lot! yellow dahlia Nov 5 #28

So elections are only rigged when Democrats lose? Wiz Imp Nov 5 #46

I don't think Dems cheat. And, Trump ALWAYS cheats Joinfortmill Thursday #106

Right. You could begin every sentence with Trump always cheats. yellow dahlia Friday #142

Agree Blue Full Moon Nov 5 #37

I'm persuaded by Greg Palast's work: markodochartaigh Nov 5 #38

Or it could be that voters in these states got a wake up call over the last few months fujiyamasan Nov 5 #39

I was thinking the same goddamned thing Blue Owl Nov 5 #43

Is this being reported by the media? NoNameGranny Nov 5 #45

People where just angry at Trump/ICE/Gop's bs SunImp Nov 5 #47

It's worth pointing out again that 2024 election denialism is actually a vicious attack on Kamala Harris and the entire tritsofme Nov 5 #51

Off year elections would serve as pacification for anyone thinking the general elections contain malware ffr Nov 5 #52

No RandySF Nov 5 #53

Harris won. End of story. Botany Nov 5 #57

There definitely were massive voter suppression efforts, massive propaganda operations LymphocyteLover Nov 5 #61

The vote flipping and deletions was done not at the precinct levels of which you are right would be unwork-... Botany Nov 5 #70

you don't think anyone in the secretary of Dem state offices of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania LymphocyteLover Nov 5 #74

Good questions, Botany Thursday #91

couldn't that surge just be actual voters (since more Repubs tend to vote on election day)? LymphocyteLover Friday #132

A large surge of red voters from a large strongly blue voting population @ the last minute? Please. Botany Friday #134

All the obvious anecdotes match up to all the simple math. yellow dahlia Friday #143

A simple bell shaped curve for statical analysis will easily show causality behind the election results. Botany Saturday #150

There you go! Seems simple when you look at the mathematical models. yellow dahlia Saturday #152

please provide a specific example of that kind of red surge in a blue area LymphocyteLover Friday #147

You think someone from the sos office at the state level looks at every precinct result to see if it matches? questionseverything Thursday #120

No, but wouldn't someone at the county level do that? Or are they in on the plot? LymphocyteLover Friday #131

I sorry. But it NEVER happened. stopdiggin Thursday #98

I hear you... Chemical Bill Nov 5 #69

Musk had the technology. yellow dahlia Nov 5 #79

this is repeated by a lot of people that have no idea what the 'technology' is stopdiggin Thursday #103

. Chemical Bill Thursday #112

are you offering this as some species of 'evidence'? stopdiggin Thursday #119

Perhaps you stopped reading... Chemical Bill Thursday #123

Yawn. It really isn't worth my good time. (while repeating, "this is evidence ..?" ) - -(nt)- stopdiggin Thursday #124

Interesting. Chemical Bill Friday #140

Any election Democrats lose is rigged. iemanja Nov 5 #60

Pretty tiring isn't it? fujiyamasan Thursday #83

it's just plain sad. !!! - -(nt)- stopdiggin Thursday #100

. Chemical Bill Thursday #116

I dunno Cirsium Nov 5 #68

Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 5 #72

They will intensify efforts to disenfranchise... WestMichRad Nov 5 #73

In '26, and '28 we need the brightest, wileyest White Hat Hackers keeping all eyes on the votes & totals, tabulaters etc electric_blue68 Nov 5 #78

Yes. yellow dahlia Thursday #111

my theory AncientOfDays Thursday #80

Exactly. yellow dahlia Thursday #113

DITTO!! BadGimp Thursday #81

They've proved it already but have trouble selling it SupportSanity Thursday #87

My gut's about the same Torchlight Thursday #90

Based on what? themaguffin Thursday #92

The economy is being wrecked, people feel it. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #93

Why didn't fElon help this time? Clouds Passing Thursday #94

I don't think so. It just took a year or two of Trump in full swing to get out the vote, and persuade even many Martin68 Thursday #96

I'm sorry - but it NEVER happened. And your twitchy 'senses' are leading you astray. stopdiggin Thursday #99

I thought so too. I felt that way after Pennsylvania and Michigan went to Trump. It doesn't make sense. OLDMDDEM Thursday #101

Like in 2024 obnoxiousdrunk Thursday #104

Yup. Joinfortmill Thursday #105

Same thing happened 8 years ago krawhitham Thursday #107

And then they forget how bad he is? n/t Chemical Bill Friday #130

Eforensic analysis says something aint right angryxyouth Thursday #108

So since this is all so clearly documented and proven, you must be accusing Kamala of knowing tritsofme Thursday #117

Yes I am angryxyouth Friday #136

At least you're honest, this contempt and hatred for Harris and Democrats appears widespread among election deniers tritsofme Friday #137

Sometimes the truth hurts angryxyouth Monday #153

Yes. "They" use Russian-type psy-ops to convince people not to question elections, yellow dahlia Friday #144

Don't worry. Most of us realize that this is in NO way an attack on Dems. yellow dahlia Thursday #121

It is absolutely a vicious attack on Democrats. You must believe truly terrible things about Kamala Harris and Democrats tritsofme Friday #133

The problem is the premise is flawed fujiyamasan Friday #145

Interestingly... Chemical Bill Friday #146

That's one way to look at it, and I believe it to be true jmowreader Thursday #109

Right. The analysis is easy. yellow dahlia Thursday #114

Wonder why trump and Elon didn't hack Tuesday's election? Silent Type Thursday #110

Not worth it jmowreader Thursday #115

Didn't happen in 2024 either. We lost. Was hoping Conspiracy Theories would stop, but nope. Silent Type Thursday #118

Exactly. Analysis needs to be applied to the circumstances at the moment. yellow dahlia Friday #138

I absolutely think that 2024 was stolen Metaphorical Thursday #127

So simple and so obvious. yellow dahlia Friday #139

Republicans are saying the same thing about Tuesday Polybius Friday #128

you'd be surprised just how much sexism / racism played into it Skittles Friday #129

Does that same logic apply to the 2010 elections? EdmondDantes_ Friday #149

Alot! Clouds Passing Saturday #151