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bigtree

(93,231 posts)
24. it was a shitty deal
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:37 PM
Monday

...but these Dems have been signaling for weeks now that they weren't going all the way with the protest.

But look, the actual pressure on republicans to make the ACA subsidy extension is still out there, albeit these Democrats gave them rope.

Remember, these issues existed BEFORE the shutdown. SNAP is already cut mercilessly in the budget, but there wasn't any national discussion or debate until the president blocked it and Democrats stood up and defended the people in need.

Republicans had all year to extend the ACA subsides, but it was the clever pivot from Dem leaders to make the shutdown appear to be about those subsidies.

The effort to block the advancement of the budget was basically this, to keep it from steamrolling to final passage. The politics of demanding this or that hasn't ended, nor the leverage, it's just shifted the fight to after Christmas.

There was actually a demand that ACA subsidy vote take place in December, but the republican leadership balked and shifted that vote to January.

Instead of just assuming that republicans cared enough about the people they were hurting in the shutdown to agree to Dem demands to extend the ACA, maybe take this time to deepen the concern and expectation that Dem leaders generated among Americans that Congress should extend the temporary benefits to address what Jeffries calls the 'republican health care crisis.'

There was never an assurance that republicans would bend to demands over hurting people they have been kicking around for months now. It makes little sense, except in the way Dem leaders used the tension and concern in the public to effectively put the hat on republicans.

Notwithstanding 'deals' which are likely nonstarter with any republican they expect to vote along with Democrats on these benefits, and just a delay before another shutdown fight in January when this resolution expires, this has always been an uphill political fight, not a realistic expectation of bending republicans to our will.

The hope is that we can get voters to do that, so I'm seeing nothing but political opportunity in this present landscape which is increasing, not diminished at all by the vote, and likely enhanced by the removal of the bandaid of pointing at Senate Dems which republicans advantaged (with the cooperation of the press) to obscure the deep gash in actual public support for anything they're doing with the budget.

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What became of that FSA account proposal from the GOP SSJVegeta Monday #1
"Republican health care crisis" mzmolly Monday #2
and I'm sure they are losing sleep over millions losing healthcare LOL. nt yaesu Monday #5
They should lose sleep over losing mzmolly Monday #10
They aren't in danger of losing their Bettie Monday #22
All Republican districts are mzmolly Monday #25
Most of them are Bettie Monday #31
Time will tell. mzmolly Monday #34
They don't care...no consequences NotHardly Monday #43
I disagree. mzmolly Monday #50
well, they can slop all the lipstick on the shutdown cave pig they want but at the end of the day is still a pig. nt yaesu Monday #3
should have voted in a majority bigtree Monday #12
Even when we had the majority, they voted for an expiration date on the enhanced subsidies MichMan Monday #39
it was a pandemic response, not a straightforward subsidy effort bigtree Monday #44
Republicans are pigs. mzmolly Monday #13
Democrats that continually cave to fascists deserve to be flamed LR3 Monday #4
THIS! berksdem Monday #6
the vast majority of the party disagreed. bigtree Monday #46
Oh please LR3 Monday #54
Use this to show people exactly how evil Republicans are Freddie Monday #7
If the Democrats are going to go along with this it's not just showing that the Republicans are the ones Autumn Monday #16
So we totally give up, lose the midterms and install trump as president for life Freddie Monday #17
Democratic leadership gave up. We did what was required of us and more. nt Autumn Monday #18
wrong. they put the ball squarely in the repubs court. edisdead Monday #32
Why would the democrats own it? edisdead Monday #30
They caved and the republicans will show no mercy. CentralMass Monday #8
How was the shutdown going to change that? edisdead Monday #28
We will never know. CentralMass Monday #45
they still have the majority of Democrats standing against them bigtree Monday #47
I appreciate you and others trying to be the voice of reason here, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #9
it was a shitty deal bigtree Monday #24
Do you honestly believe that Krasnov gab13by13 Monday #33
we got a dead rotten pig in a bloody dripping poke rampartd Monday #35
I think this is dangerous leftstreet Monday #11
right now the demand is an extension of ACA subsudies as millions of Americans health costs double bigtree Monday #20
Sadly BigMin28 Monday #21
Single payer isn't even in thenpicture edisdead Monday #27
Restoring the Obamacare subsidies is also not going to happen. gab13by13 Monday #36
I brought it up BigMin28 Monday #41
I think you are as right on this as you were on Garland. Autumn Monday #14
Yep. Exactly. Scrivener7 Monday #40
I appreciate your positivity berksdem Monday #15
your reply is unserious bigtree Monday #29
oh no, i read it a few times actually... berksdem Monday #48
I wanna be positive too, but I think that's cockeyed optimisim. Happy Hoosier Monday #19
Rec X 1,000,000!! Sogo Monday #23
thank you for this bigtree edisdead Monday #26
Obviously Mikie Sherrill can't see it either gab13by13 Monday #38
Capitulation is the opposite of pressure but I guess the corporatists & centrists need to spin this as a victory somehow LonePirate Monday #37
Thank You csusan Monday #42
That was a very thoughtful post. Quiet Em Monday #49
Jeffries will be a great Speaker! mcar Monday #51
" we're going to work hard to hold the Republicans accountable" IcyPeas Monday #52
So...will this"victory" get SNAP benefits sent out? synni Monday #53
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