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BannonsLiver

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33. That was certainly possible. We'll never know.

Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:53 PM

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What the OP is advocating for is 1990s style triangulation. In essence their position is it’s worth letting the ACA die for a chance to use that as a bludgeon down the road. They hope the media will cover those stories and referee on our behalf, which is of course utterly ludicrous.

The ACA was passed 15 years ago in a much different political climate/landscape. What the OP, and others who are celebrating the capitulation as some sort of win don’t realize, is that it’s highly unlikely Democrats will ever be in the position to reconstitute the ACA again because the senate math is inherently more favorable to republicans. We’d need 60 seats.

In short, pre existing conditions, caps etc will eventually be eliminated as the ACA disintegrates.

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there was no path to ACA extension by way of shutdown [View all] edisdead Monday OP

Then what was the point of the shutdown? leftstreet Monday #1

the point was to illustrate the republicans lack of ability to govern edisdead Monday #10

LOL people seemed to already know that leftstreet Monday #17

21 million at NO KINGS BigmanPigman Monday #69

I was at both local No Kings rallies and 90% of the people driving by were supporting us. OMGWTF Monday #76

I've been to over 30 protests during tRump's 2 terms BigmanPigman Monday #84

I do not beleive that 21 million number at all. It is based off one poll and then some some very unsound projections and Celerity Tuesday #104

Was UT_democrat Monday #80

Excuses, excuses. choie Monday #87

To show the American people who's actually fighting for them, and who's actively fighting to hurt them NickB79 Monday #11

I think you've got that ACA thing wrong leftstreet Monday #29

KFF: More Than Half of ACA Marketplace Enrollees Live in Republican Congressional Districts NickB79 Monday #54

Interesting leftstreet Monday #55

Hey OP. Read Ezra Levin of Indivisible's explanation. You'll get it then. Bobstandard Monday #67

Indeed. I read it. I have joined indivisible in their primary Demsrule86 Tuesday #118

I have no desire to kill any Americans... not saying that is what Demsrule86 Tuesday #116

Wait, so the Democrats participated in this ruse choie Monday #88

And to show that they were "fighting for us".... Bettie Tuesday #107

Some but not all... I think. Schumer knew. Demsrule86 Tuesday #117

No I disagree. And now the GOP WILL GIVE NOTHING. Demsrule86 Tuesday #120

The point was to get the subsidies extended or made permanent..... reACTIONary Monday #73

It was very dumb to publicly repeatedly say the shutdown was to save the ACA subsidies then. RockRaven Monday #2

not really. That was the point. edisdead Monday #8

They won't fix shit. Healthcare is gone. Demsrule86 Monday #12

But but but UT_democrat Monday #81

Right. And lost an irreplaceable piece of legislation Demsrule86 Tuesday #100

that one time $2k check that no one will get rampartd Tuesday #108

My last heart procedure... a one day affair Demsrule86 Tuesday #119

They don't have to fix a damn thing, they can just run another grift disguised as a targeted handout and claim victory 0rganism Monday #44

They might as well eat the check for all good it would do. Demsrule86 Tuesday #103

Tell that to the people who missed a payment or lived under extreme stess the past month. CrispyQ Monday #49

Many who have now lost their healthcare and may die. Demsrule86 Tuesday #106

The Democratic leadership told us this is why they let the shutdown happen Mr.WeRP Monday #3

+1 berksdem Monday #74

Democrats supposedly demanded it after last CR was approved. Remember how ticked everyone was. Silent Type Monday #4

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the shutdown brought into focus the republicans failing ti address it edisdead Monday #13

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how long should the gov stay shutdown edisdead Monday #36

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you can talk to me. edisdead Monday #56

People were "angry" and demanding a shutdown to prove we were "fighting" tritsofme Monday #60

I've agreed with you on other things in the past, but not this time. BannonsLiver Monday #61

Well i agree Boo1 Tuesday #113

Well no matter what I am glad we tried to save Demsrule86 Tuesday #114

Elections have consequences. tritsofme Tuesday #115

The shutdown should have lasted a year... right up until the midterms lapfog_1 Monday #6

Yes it should have. Someone tipped Trump Demsrule86 Monday #9

that worm would have turned in 2 weeks when people couldn't travel edisdead Monday #16

nope lapfog_1 Monday #22

I'm always impressed by the brave warriors who were willing to fight until the last federal worker's home is foreclosed tritsofme Monday #21

you know... it is really rich when you criticize someone without knowing anything about them lapfog_1 Monday #42

How does extending the government shutdown and the suffering of the federal workforce make an ACA extension more likely? tritsofme Monday #53

it doesn't its just people falling for the same Dems in array talking points edisdead Monday #57

That would have been a catastrophe with government workers missing paycheck after paycheck. everyonematters Monday #25

exactly! edisdead Monday #34

Don't be so sure of that. BannonsLiver Monday #50

Don't be so sure of what? edisdead Monday #58

You're going to keep the government closed for a year .. ? stopdiggin Monday #26

That would be an utter disaster EdmondDantes_ Monday #35

No section 8, so more homelessness MichMan Monday #70

that be as destructive to the country as the whole tRump administration and no doubt the LymphocyteLover Monday #66

The GOP say that and now there will Demsrule86 Monday #7

there was no path with the gov shut down either. edisdead Monday #32

And so we caved and let the GOP pick the path Demsrule86 Tuesday #112

I both agree and disagree. maxsolomon Monday #14

thats right. edisdead Monday #18

The ACA subsidies were passed in the first place as part of the pandemic relief measures Ocelot II Monday #85

I thought the ARP had "enhanced" subsidies and that there were subsidies prior to that. maxsolomon Tuesday #111

Then why did we have a shut down? Why did Schumer play the game if he knew he was going to Autumn Monday #15

the game only has so many innings edisdead Monday #24

Please berksdem Monday #75

Well, there certainly the fuck isn't now. nt Gore1FL Monday #19

they were NEVER going to bring it to a vote. edisdead Monday #30

"Never" is a long time. Gore1FL Monday #41

why don't they? edisdead Monday #59

I disagree, but we will never know given that the Senste Democrats caved. nt Gore1FL Monday #62

The MAGAs might have caved creeksneakers2 Monday #23

why would they have caved? edisdead Monday #27

There was just an election that looked very frightening to them. creeksneakers2 Monday #90

That was certainly possible. We'll never know. BannonsLiver Monday #33

We need a huge wave election creeksneakers2 Monday #91

I doubt that wave will happen, but agree, he will fuck things up beyond anything we can imagine. BannonsLiver Monday #93

He's been losing about a point a month creeksneakers2 Monday #94

What part about Republicans hate government and would just as soon abolish the federal government Wiz Imp Monday #43

They fear being voted out. creeksneakers2 Monday #92

Tim Kaine, is that you? Xavier Breath Monday #28

Amazing how some people can find it so easy to rationize inaction Bluetus Monday #46

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Monday #47

Dems with allies like Angus King got one victory: Hassler Monday #31

Did I want the Dems to cave? no. Roc2020 Monday #37

Well, the vast majority of Democratic voters don't get why you don't get it yaesu Monday #38

In a month you'll be telling us that the agreement to hold a vote on ACA subsidies was never going to happen either Prairie Gates Monday #40

Nothing to worry about. Garland's got this. Scrivener7 Monday #96

I'll Predict That Right Now. I Know Lucy's Holding the... ColoringFool Monday #97

The issue is we were told we were fighting for healthcare. Irish_Dem Monday #45

And how much fundraising was based on this premise? Bluetus Monday #48

Good point. :( Irish_Dem Monday #51

Alternative view from Prof G and Jessica Tarlov pat_k Monday #52

Then why not authorize the government to stay open iemanja Monday #63

I agree, but it seems many people love to be angry at Dems on social media LymphocyteLover Monday #64

mr fetterman? quakerboy Monday #65

Or a new genre of fan-fic, possibly Zenlitened Monday #95

Thank you. Concise and correct. QueerDuck Monday #68

Stop orangecrush Monday #71

Honestly, berksdem Monday #72

How do you KNOW that??? Seriously. One cannot deduct that just from the way the Dems orchestrated this cave. nt Exp Monday #77

In the coming battle... pat_k Monday #78

The shutdown was the only path. There is no other avenue to implement it. LonePirate Monday #79

In the face of fascism you must fight adam_vermont Monday #82

Bullshit Blues Heron Monday #83

Then why did the Dems play a role in the shutdown? choie Monday #86

Hear hear! 1,000,000% correct FHRRK Monday #89

Hindsight Usually Refers To Some Occurrence, Not Some.... ColoringFool Monday #98

It's still not over. GoodRaisin Tuesday #99

I absolutely do not believe that to be the case, not at all. nt Celerity Tuesday #101

We are pissed because we were led off a damn cliff. Irish_Dem Tuesday #102

they tried. It didn't work. edisdead Tuesday #122

Dems are not to blame for the shut down. Irish_Dem Tuesday #123

There is no path to ACA extension now either Bettie Tuesday #105

While I'm disappointed, i wonder if Democrats looked into the abyss that is named Trump Buckeyeblue Tuesday #109

I guess you know better than 36 Senators Scrivener7 Tuesday #110

O'Donnell agrees with you LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #121