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tritsofme

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60. People were "angry" and demanding a shutdown to prove we were "fighting"

Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:37 PM

Nov 10

So the mob got what it wanted.

It was never a smart idea, everyone knew that the people causing shutdown have historically never gotten what they were demanding.

Now why the shutdown dragged on beyond a week without giving ourselves any sort of off-ramp, coupled with the messy uncoordinated endgame certainly leaves much to be desired.

At this point the shutdown wasn’t accomplishing anything except punishing federal workers and threatening SNAP families Trump is trying to starve.

Thank goodness these 8 Democrats put this shutdown out of its misery.

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there was no path to ACA extension by way of shutdown [View all] edisdead Nov 10 OP

Then what was the point of the shutdown? leftstreet Nov 10 #1

the point was to illustrate the republicans lack of ability to govern edisdead Nov 10 #10

LOL people seemed to already know that leftstreet Nov 10 #17

21 million at NO KINGS BigmanPigman Nov 10 #69

I was at both local No Kings rallies and 90% of the people driving by were supporting us. OMGWTF Nov 10 #76

I've been to over 30 protests during tRump's 2 terms BigmanPigman Nov 10 #84

I do not beleive that 21 million number at all. It is based off one poll and then some some very unsound projections and Celerity Nov 11 #104

Was UT_democrat Nov 10 #80

Excuses, excuses. choie Nov 10 #87

To show the American people who's actually fighting for them, and who's actively fighting to hurt them NickB79 Nov 10 #11

I think you've got that ACA thing wrong leftstreet Nov 10 #29

KFF: More Than Half of ACA Marketplace Enrollees Live in Republican Congressional Districts NickB79 Nov 10 #54

Interesting leftstreet Nov 10 #55

Hey OP. Read Ezra Levin of Indivisible's explanation. You'll get it then. Bobstandard Nov 10 #67

Indeed. I read it. I have joined indivisible in their primary Demsrule86 Nov 11 #118

I have no desire to kill any Americans... not saying that is what Demsrule86 Nov 11 #116

Wait, so the Democrats participated in this ruse choie Nov 10 #88

And to show that they were "fighting for us".... Bettie Nov 11 #107

Some but not all... I think. Schumer knew. Demsrule86 Nov 11 #117

No I disagree. And now the GOP WILL GIVE NOTHING. Demsrule86 Nov 11 #120

The point was to get the subsidies extended or made permanent..... reACTIONary Nov 10 #73

It was very dumb to publicly repeatedly say the shutdown was to save the ACA subsidies then. RockRaven Nov 10 #2

not really. That was the point. edisdead Nov 10 #8

They won't fix shit. Healthcare is gone. Demsrule86 Nov 10 #12

But but but UT_democrat Nov 10 #81

Right. And lost an irreplaceable piece of legislation Demsrule86 Nov 11 #100

that one time $2k check that no one will get rampartd Nov 11 #108

My last heart procedure... a one day affair Demsrule86 Nov 11 #119

They don't have to fix a damn thing, they can just run another grift disguised as a targeted handout and claim victory 0rganism Nov 10 #44

They might as well eat the check for all good it would do. Demsrule86 Nov 11 #103

Tell that to the people who missed a payment or lived under extreme stess the past month. CrispyQ Nov 10 #49

Many who have now lost their healthcare and may die. Demsrule86 Nov 11 #106

The Democratic leadership told us this is why they let the shutdown happen Mr.WeRP Nov 10 #3

+1 berksdem Nov 10 #74

Democrats supposedly demanded it after last CR was approved. Remember how ticked everyone was. Silent Type Nov 10 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #5

the shutdown brought into focus the republicans failing ti address it edisdead Nov 10 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #20

how long should the gov stay shutdown edisdead Nov 10 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #39

you can talk to me. edisdead Nov 10 #56

People were "angry" and demanding a shutdown to prove we were "fighting" tritsofme Nov 10 #60

I've agreed with you on other things in the past, but not this time. BannonsLiver Nov 10 #61

Well i agree Boo1 Nov 11 #113

Well no matter what I am glad we tried to save Demsrule86 Nov 11 #114

Elections have consequences. tritsofme Nov 11 #115

The shutdown should have lasted a year... right up until the midterms lapfog_1 Nov 10 #6

Yes it should have. Someone tipped Trump Demsrule86 Nov 10 #9

that worm would have turned in 2 weeks when people couldn't travel edisdead Nov 10 #16

nope lapfog_1 Nov 10 #22

I'm always impressed by the brave warriors who were willing to fight until the last federal worker's home is foreclosed tritsofme Nov 10 #21

you know... it is really rich when you criticize someone without knowing anything about them lapfog_1 Nov 10 #42

How does extending the government shutdown and the suffering of the federal workforce make an ACA extension more likely? tritsofme Nov 10 #53

it doesn't its just people falling for the same Dems in array talking points edisdead Nov 10 #57

That would have been a catastrophe with government workers missing paycheck after paycheck. everyonematters Nov 10 #25

exactly! edisdead Nov 10 #34

Don't be so sure of that. BannonsLiver Nov 10 #50

Don't be so sure of what? edisdead Nov 10 #58

You're going to keep the government closed for a year .. ? stopdiggin Nov 10 #26

That would be an utter disaster EdmondDantes_ Nov 10 #35

No section 8, so more homelessness MichMan Nov 10 #70

that be as destructive to the country as the whole tRump administration and no doubt the LymphocyteLover Nov 10 #66

The GOP say that and now there will Demsrule86 Nov 10 #7

there was no path with the gov shut down either. edisdead Nov 10 #32

And so we caved and let the GOP pick the path Demsrule86 Nov 11 #112

I both agree and disagree. maxsolomon Nov 10 #14

thats right. edisdead Nov 10 #18

The ACA subsidies were passed in the first place as part of the pandemic relief measures Ocelot II Nov 10 #85

I thought the ARP had "enhanced" subsidies and that there were subsidies prior to that. maxsolomon Nov 11 #111

Then why did we have a shut down? Why did Schumer play the game if he knew he was going to Autumn Nov 10 #15

the game only has so many innings edisdead Nov 10 #24

Please berksdem Nov 10 #75

Well, there certainly the fuck isn't now. nt Gore1FL Nov 10 #19

they were NEVER going to bring it to a vote. edisdead Nov 10 #30

"Never" is a long time. Gore1FL Nov 10 #41

why don't they? edisdead Nov 10 #59

I disagree, but we will never know given that the Senste Democrats caved. nt Gore1FL Nov 10 #62

The MAGAs might have caved creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #23

why would they have caved? edisdead Nov 10 #27

There was just an election that looked very frightening to them. creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #90

That was certainly possible. We'll never know. BannonsLiver Nov 10 #33

We need a huge wave election creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #91

I doubt that wave will happen, but agree, he will fuck things up beyond anything we can imagine. BannonsLiver Nov 10 #93

He's been losing about a point a month creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #94

What part about Republicans hate government and would just as soon abolish the federal government Wiz Imp Nov 10 #43

They fear being voted out. creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #92

Tim Kaine, is that you? Xavier Breath Nov 10 #28

Amazing how some people can find it so easy to rationize inaction Bluetus Nov 10 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #47

Dems with allies like Angus King got one victory: Hassler Nov 10 #31

Did I want the Dems to cave? no. Roc2020 Nov 10 #37

Well, the vast majority of Democratic voters don't get why you don't get it yaesu Nov 10 #38

In a month you'll be telling us that the agreement to hold a vote on ACA subsidies was never going to happen either Prairie Gates Nov 10 #40

Nothing to worry about. Garland's got this. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #96

I'll Predict That Right Now. I Know Lucy's Holding the... ColoringFool Nov 10 #97

The issue is we were told we were fighting for healthcare. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #45

And how much fundraising was based on this premise? Bluetus Nov 10 #48

Good point. :( Irish_Dem Nov 10 #51

Alternative view from Prof G and Jessica Tarlov pat_k Nov 10 #52

Then why not authorize the government to stay open iemanja Nov 10 #63

I agree, but it seems many people love to be angry at Dems on social media LymphocyteLover Nov 10 #64

mr fetterman? quakerboy Nov 10 #65

Or a new genre of fan-fic, possibly Zenlitened Nov 10 #95

Thank you. Concise and correct. QueerDuck Nov 10 #68

Stop orangecrush Nov 10 #71

Honestly, berksdem Nov 10 #72

How do you KNOW that??? Seriously. One cannot deduct that just from the way the Dems orchestrated this cave. nt Exp Nov 10 #77

In the coming battle... pat_k Nov 10 #78

The shutdown was the only path. There is no other avenue to implement it. LonePirate Nov 10 #79

In the face of fascism you must fight adam_vermont Nov 10 #82

Bullshit Blues Heron Nov 10 #83

Then why did the Dems play a role in the shutdown? choie Nov 10 #86

Hear hear! 1,000,000% correct FHRRK Nov 10 #89

Hindsight Usually Refers To Some Occurrence, Not Some.... ColoringFool Nov 10 #98

It's still not over. GoodRaisin Nov 11 #99

I absolutely do not believe that to be the case, not at all. nt Celerity Nov 11 #101

We are pissed because we were led off a damn cliff. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #102

they tried. It didn't work. edisdead Nov 11 #122

Dems are not to blame for the shut down. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #123

There is no path to ACA extension now either Bettie Nov 11 #105

While I'm disappointed, i wonder if Democrats looked into the abyss that is named Trump Buckeyeblue Nov 11 #109

I guess you know better than 36 Senators Scrivener7 Nov 11 #110

O'Donnell agrees with you LetMyPeopleVote Nov 11 #121