At least wrt Tim Kaine.
I had a mentor like that long back. He was actually a genuinely decent man and a good scientist. It is never the creeps or sleazebags who are as challenging as nice and competent people with ideas or politics you just know are terrible.
Unlike the Zucks, Google/Palantir Creeps and Musks who really are just frauds, its more confusing when a person is competent and decent but has really huge cognitive biases (like taking these Si Valley creeps at face value as people who are invested in
well anything but greed).
Creeps are almost easier to deal with.
I have at times hated him as a sellout etc. But I dont think thats accurate. I think it is just different when you know the people who to many of us are mere abstractions and where we are largely good with their remaining as such.
Where you or I could see a life
-sucking blackhole of evil, people who actually know those creeps might have this mind warp where they see them as well meaning if flawed humans.
I am okay with nuance up to the point where I have to see these new Goebbels clones of Si Valley as reasonable or well meaning humans.