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pat_k

(12,437 posts)
1. Not so much fooled as wrongheaded premise about the battle
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 10:52 PM
Tuesday

It seems to me there is widespread false premise that the only "win" would be getting an extension of the ACA subsidies. But there were two ways to win:

1) Trumpublicans ended the shutdown by adding an ACA subsidy extension

2) Trumpublicans ended the shutdown by jettisoning the filibuster.


The shutdown was going to end. Under increasing pressure from the malignant narcissist-in-chief and rank and file dread of their constituents hating on them over Thanksgiving Dinner, Thune would have ended the filibuster. The result:

-Instead of saying, "Why oh why did the Dems subject us to this pain for nothing," more would be livid with: "You mean you could have ended this by getting rid of the filibuster before it even started!!!"

-Democrats would be the ones that stood strong, doing battle on behalf of the American people with the leverage they had right up to the point that that leverage was forcibly taken from them.

-Our Democratic electeds would have demonstrated an unprecedented strength.

-People who support the Democratic Party would be riding as high as they were on Friday. Enraged by the ACA loss, but proud as hell of the strength demonstrated.

-The depravity and cruelty shown by the felon during the shutdown would be all the more evident as his Trumpublicans took 100% responsibly for the horror show.

If you are angry, as I am, when we contact Democratic leaders I think we need to be crystal clear that they failed us, not be failing to get their demands met, they failed us because in this fight we had faith that they would (1) make their demand, (2) hold out until either (a) MAGA R's met the demand, or (b) MAGA R's went nuclear and ended the shutdown on their own, without the complicity or capitulation of the Democrats.

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Not so much fooled as wrongheaded premise about the battle pat_k Tuesday #1
+1 leftstreet Tuesday #3
Looks like those that stuck their necks out just had them chopped off by Thune. dem4decades Tuesday #2
They knew, Demsrule86 Tuesday #15
I blame Schumer. dem4decades Yesterday #18
I do too. Demsrule86 Yesterday #33
Ya, you just run with that Thuneboy. aeromanKC Tuesday #4
Yeah, aren't the Dems so crafty. choie Tuesday #5
Triple Bonus: Epstein files release now on front burner aeromanKC Tuesday #7
Sure just like we get a vote...oh wait now Demsrule86 Yesterday #34
The art of breaking the deal. Frasier Balzov Tuesday #6
Dems should offer to vote for law that will prevent THUNE and all GQPs from ever getting an abortion--- Jack Valentino Tuesday #8
How many Democratic Senators will agree with this? The same 8? dem4decades Tuesday #9
I hope not: Demsrule86 Yesterday #35
MotherFuckers one and all spanone Tuesday #10
Great job everyone! RockRaven Tuesday #11
I favor tougher "retroactive abortion" laws, which would apply to Jack Valentino Tuesday #12
And there we are. Lucy and the football. But the leaders knew. So Demsrule86 Tuesday #13
I guess the ACA is a goner and once it is gone, I don't see how it ever comes back. Marie Marie Tuesday #14
They want to kill the ACA then move on to abortion. dem4decades Yesterday #19
Well, why not. Democrats in Congress have proven they have no backbone. Baitball Blogger Tuesday #16
Start with Schumer, it was his deal. dem4decades Yesterday #20
but, but, but Lawrence O' said its a great trade for the epstein files, it must have some kind of healing properties to yaesu Yesterday #17
I'm glad you mentioned that! BigmanPigman Yesterday #27
The same Lawrence O' BeerBarrelPolka Yesterday #30
Good luck with that. Women vote, you cretins. Joinfortmill Yesterday #21
I am starting to wonder for how much longer jfz9580m Yesterday #23
How long did that Repuke promise last before the flip flop? 24 hours? AZ8theist Yesterday #22
There was a recent thread about Durbin addressing Thune DFW Yesterday #24
Durbin isn't that stupid BeerBarrelPolka Yesterday #31
Thanks a lot Senate 8 plus their fearful leader AllyCat Yesterday #25
At least those holiday flights will take off! durablend Yesterday #36
Tim Kaine Said What? ColoringFool Yesterday #26
Never trust a republican. C Moon Yesterday #28
Gee? Who'd a thunk something like THAT would happen? Pas-de-Calais Yesterday #29
Holding people's health hostage while imposing Christian make believe. That's the Rs. Sibelius Fan Yesterday #32
So Thune lied yet again. Color me shocked. travelingthrulife Yesterday #37
But no one could have predicted durablend 23 hrs ago #38
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