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KS Toronado

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20. Hey all you "We lost fair and square" people, here's the entire email
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:06 AM
17 hrs ago

On Thursday, November 6, 2025, the Election Truth Alliance filed its first lawsuit in Pennsylvania seeking to compel a hand-count audit of the 2024 General Election.

The complaint asserts that late-stage software changes, documented testing failures, ballot-handling irregularities, and statistically anomalous voting patterns in Cambria, Erie, and Allegheny Counties collectively deprived voters of their constitutional right to cast a ballot and have it counted accurately.

The suit follows months of efforts to persuade Secretary of the Commonwealth Al Schmidt to authorize an independent third-party hand-count audit, backed by a petition signed by more than 45,000 Pennsylvania voters.


Cambria County Chaos

The latest in a growing list of election-integrity concerns in Pennsylvania comes from Cambria County, where local reporting suggested the county had “trended blue” on Election Day, when in fact the vote totals show the opposite.

As with other counties under review, ETA’s investigation uncovered multiple irregularities that raise serious questions about the accuracy of Cambria’s reported results.

Discrepancies in Mail-In Ballot Reporting:

Cambria County had a total 88,508 registered voters

The state’s 7:00 pm Daily Mail Ballot Report showed 15,258 mail-in ballots received.

The county’s official results list only 15,022. That leaves 236 ballots unaccounted for—ballots that were not rejected or cancelled. They just disappeared.

The 8:00 pm Act 88 report showed 15,121 mail-in ballots received, a difference of 99 votes from the official total.

So the 7:00 pm to 8:00 pm numbers decreased? “Weird.”

But wait—it gets worse.
The 7:00 p.m. report shows 16,827 mail-in ballots were requested. The 8:00 p.m. Act 88 report shows 15,121 were returned. A difference of 1,706 ballots.

Democrats returned 7,596 ballots and Republicans returned 6,475, yet the official results credit Donald Trump with 7,328 mail-in votes—853 more than the number of Republican ballots returned. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris and the third-party candidates show a combined deficit of 853 votes—a perfectly symmetrical loss. A difference of 1,706 ballots.

Yes, you read that correctly: Donald Trump received 853 more mail-in votes than the number of Republican ballots returned, while Kamala Harris and all other candidates received precisely 853 less equaling 1,706 ballots, a perfect mathematical swing.

But wait—there’s more.
When added to provisional and Election Day ballots, the totals equal exactly 88,508—the precise number of registered voters in the county, implying a 100% participation rate.

This isn’t just a statistical red flag, it’s a five alarm fire.


State Rep Frank Burns Would Like a Word

On Election Night, State Rep Frank Burns reported watching his own vote totals decrease in real time—an anomaly state officials later dismissed as a “glitch.”

Although Burns ultimately won his race, it became clear that Cambria County experienced a major breakdown in its ballot-scanning process. Burns filed multiple Right-to-Know requests seeking clarity on how many ballots failed to scan and how many replacement ballots were issued.

He also criticized the county commissioners’ plan to lead an investigation into their own conduct, noting that they serve on the Election Board and oversee the staff involved. As Burns put it, relying on such an internal review “makes no sense whatsoever. We all know how that type of ‘internal investigation’ will end.”

“I won my election—but that’s not what matters here. Everyone deserves to know exactly what happened, so there can be accountability for such a huge systemic failure. How can machines that the commission chairman says were tested prior to the election and apparently working properly suddenly fail to scan ballots on Election Day—not just in one or two precincts, but across the entirety of Cambria County?”

The Cambria County commissioners initially claimed they did not have to comply with any portion of Rep. Burns’s Right-to-Know Law request that was framed as a question. Burns appealed, and in June 2025 he won—forcing the county to produce the required records. Yet despite that ruling, the matter remains unresolved: How and why did ballot scanners across Cambria County suddenly fail on Election Day?
Duplication of 65,000 Election Day Ballots

Cambria County’s Election Day ballot handling raised even more concerns. Because of a so-called printing error—reminiscent of Florida in 2000—officials say roughly 65,000 ballots had to be “duplicated” by poll workers onto newly printed ballots instead of being hand-counted.

In practice, this meant poll workers filled out new ballots on voters’ behalf, which were then scanned into the system. Although this process is technically court-approved, it raises an obvious question: why not hand-count the originals? Instead, the duplication process introduced multiple opportunities for error and significantly weakened the chain of custody.

County officials claimed Deputy Sheriffs delivered the replacement ballots directly to each precinct. However, ETA-obtained livestream footage from November 5 shows poll workers and volunteers packaging ballots in unsealed boxes and envelopes, indicating far looser handling than the county publicly reported.

The county later confirmed that every Election Day ballot was duplicated—even though same-day reporting shows the new ballots were delivered by 1 p.m., and officials acknowledged there were no further scanner issues after that time. This raises an unresolved question: Why were ballots that scanned properly still duplicated and re-scanned?

When ETA filed a Right-to-Know request for records documenting ballot issuance, spoilage, unused ballots, and destroyed ballots—as required by Pennsylvania law—the county could not produce any of the records.

Brass tacks in Cambria County:

Missing ballots

Conflicting official vote total reports

Perfectly symmetrical mathematical swings

65,000 ballots duplicated

Gaps in legally required chain-of-custody records

100% registered voter turnout per their math

The unexplained discrepancies in Cambria County’s ballot totals, along with the anomalous patterns and irregularities identified in other Pennsylvania counties, raise significant questions that cannot be resolved without transparent records and an independent audit.

Additionally, the county’s heavy reliance on ballot duplication—paired with its inability to produce legally required documentation—further undermines confidence in the accuracy of the reported results. We will continue to report on this lawsuit as it progresses.



In other news, Democrats cleaned house on November 4 and Elon is out here on Beyonce’s internet talking about rabbits and a hat.

Bonus: SpaceX is close to securing a $2 billion contract to build Trump’s Golden Dome. It’s probably fine. Nothing to see here, right? Well—aside from the statistically absurd 2024 election data in the swing states. Democratic Party legislators, what are we even doing right now? Can we talk? Asking for a few million friends.


What We Can Do Together

You can: join us and The Common Coalition on 11/22 for “Remove the Regime,” as we meet with legislators to “Take the data to D.C.!”

You can: support the Election Truth Alliance as they advance their newly filed lawsuit in Pennsylvania.

You can: circulate The Common Coalition Report and this Substack series to everyone and ask them to do the same. It’s up to us, We the People are the media now.

Hold on to your hope. There are more of us than there are of them. This is not left vs. right—it’s bottom vs. top. Again, we don’t need permission to enforce the Constitution. We just need courage.



Want the truth they’re not telling you? For fearless reporting and expert-backed research, read The Common Coalition Report. And if you believe in funding real, independent work—support our all-volunteer team here.

New proof election was stolen from us! [View all] KS Toronado 18 hrs ago OP
Uh-oh looks like Muskrat's algorithm FalloutShelter 18 hrs ago #1
I posted a dozen times that I wished that Bob Casey had requested an audit. gab13by13 18 hrs ago #2
I've felt all along things didn't add up KS Toronado 18 hrs ago #4
Here in Pittsburgh, nothing made sense 31st Street Bridge 17 hrs ago #19
Thanks for this and welcome to DU, I'll pay for your star membership. KS Toronado 16 hrs ago #30
Thank you so very much. 31st Street Bridge 12 hrs ago #121
Sent an email to management, haven't heard back yet. KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #122
except that she did - across the board. (meaning pretty much everywhere in the country) stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #45
They CAN'T win if they don't CHEAT. Give Peace A Chance 13 hrs ago #97
Heritage Foundation tells them to cheat and lie KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #120
Yes. And a mandate makes it harder for them to pull off a cheat. yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #134
A lesson that goes way back as I was watching "All The President's Men" last night Montauk6 5 hrs ago #146
When it doesn't make sense, we have to make it make sense. yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #133
The Election Truth Alliance do not appear to be crazies. mjvpi 6 hrs ago #144
re: "if we can prove the election was dishonest and take over" thesquanderer 16 hrs ago #24
You're right. No one is going to take over. OnionPatch 16 hrs ago #43
Yes! Your post states the most important part of this. sellitman 10 hrs ago #131
And if we can show the "receipts", it will put pressure on the R's in Congress to stop yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #135
The only way we can save face with the rest of the world is to prove that we did not vote for this jerkhole. OMGWTF 15 hrs ago #47
I'm not saying that legit concerns are not worth investigating. I'm just saying... thesquanderer 15 hrs ago #57
Great idea. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #48
I will NEVER believe he won EITHER election. BurnDoubt 12 hrs ago #118
I'd throw some money in on that. Greyhead 9 hrs ago #136
I posted back in February Mr.Bee 15 hrs ago #60
So part of their "proof" is people not voting with their party affiliation? EdmondDantes_ 18 hrs ago #3
When and where... 2naSalit 18 hrs ago #5
I didn't bother to look that up given the silliness of the ETA's other "evidence" EdmondDantes_ 17 hrs ago #18
Well... 2naSalit 16 hrs ago #23
Well said. Gimpyknee 13 hrs ago #106
This was an extremely long email, I edited out quite a bit for brevity. KS Toronado 18 hrs ago #6
You can go to pastebin.com usonian 17 hrs ago #7
The email was extremely long, couple bits I left out KS Toronado 17 hrs ago #9
Was the email from ETA? yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #50
It was from "This Will Hold" and was about ETA's work KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #74
Thanks. A lot of people doing the work. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #78
That doesn't address the inaccuracies (lies) they are pushing EdmondDantes_ 15 hrs ago #71
Twist all you want KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #84
Pointing to the actual election site is twisting? Weird EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #108
Are you forgetting that these official statistics you like to point to KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #117
If only we didn't have audits and the vote counting is done locally EdmondDantes_ 11 hrs ago #124
ETA is doing exactly that. I'm with you. Their presentation f evidence was convincing. Worth the time to go ..... mjvpi 6 hrs ago #145
Muskrat's comments to India's elections head Blue Full Moon 17 hrs ago #8
Amen, "I got all the votes I need" said IQ4.7 KS Toronado 17 hrs ago #10
I forgot - what was the comment to P.M. , Modi, of India? yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #52
It was to Chandrasekhar Blue Full Moon 9 hrs ago #139
Cool story..... Takket 17 hrs ago #11
Another Muskrat algorithm? You saying Musk's computer hackers KS Toronado 17 hrs ago #15
there was virtually NOTHING cncerning algorithms (or Musk) in the post! stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #49
Chill, was just repeating FalloutShelter #1 reply KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #88
Reagan only won 44 states in 1980 Jose Garcia 11 hrs ago #125
Trump didn't become more popular--Biden became less popular Jose Garcia 11 hrs ago #127
Yes. I say Musk's "hackers" had absolutely nothing to do with the election results. Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #83
Note also that the results for all the other statewide election showed very similar Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #87
Musk was giving us numbers, do you trust him? KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #90
Go ahead and believe their bullshit if you want. For me, I can tell bullshit when I see it Wiz Imp 13 hrs ago #95
There's no way that SOB won every battleground state. Emile 17 hrs ago #12
and was 2016 a fluke also where he did win every swing state? In 2016 Hillary in every critical swing state Hillary lostincalifornia 15 hrs ago #51
Have you looked at all the data from every swing State people are pointing at? KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #93
He wasn't well liked, it was just that the protesters, media, etc. were constantly bashing the Biden/Harris lostincalifornia 13 hrs ago #98
All that is necessary is hand counting the ballots in full public view and we will know questionseverything 13 hrs ago #104
Hand-counting ballots may sound nice. It's actually less accurate and more expensive MichMan 1 hr ago #150
And won every one at just Bettie 13 hrs ago #105
Harris Won. End of Story. Botany 17 hrs ago #13
+1000 Grim Chieftain 16 hrs ago #37
A simple bell shaped curve statistical analysis shows the causality behind all the Republican wins. Botany 15 hrs ago #54
Exactly Grim Chieftain 15 hrs ago #65
That bell shaped curve analysis also covers every Presidential election since 1968 too. Botany 15 hrs ago #70
Here's the video about the Rockland County NY lawsuit "discovery" now before the judge BComplex 17 hrs ago #14
There's a ton of new info in this video...for example in rockland questionseverything 10 hrs ago #132
So, some registered democrats voted for TSF? reACTIONary 17 hrs ago #16
That is a shocker. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #55
I'm shocked! Shocked, I say.... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #66
K & R for visibility malaise 17 hrs ago #17
Still with you, malaise peggysue2 16 hrs ago #25
Hey all you "We lost fair and square" people, here's the entire email KS Toronado 17 hrs ago #20
Thanks for providing the full text. ShazzieB 16 hrs ago #34
Thanks KS! yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #62
This lawsuit will be thrown out. Probably laughed out of court. Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #79
WOW KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #94
Get back to me when a single person or group presents ACTUAL PROOF Wiz Imp 13 hrs ago #96
There's a democratic state representative stating he watched his count go backwards questionseverything 13 hrs ago #110
That's perfectly normal EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #112
Once again you are not responding to what's actually happening questionseverything 13 hrs ago #115
I think you're confused. EdmondDantes_ 12 hrs ago #116
You are trash talking a democratic state senator questionseverything 12 hrs ago #119
I'm pointing out that he's incorrect. EdmondDantes_ 11 hrs ago #123
All American citizens have a right to oversee the vote count, we aren't peasants that have to accept results questionseverything 11 hrs ago #129
We lost. Accept it and prepare for midterms without a bunch of cockamamie, malarkey accusation. Silent Type 16 hrs ago #21
Kamala WON, accept it and prepare to go to the streets KS Toronado 16 hrs ago #27
Post removed Post removed 15 hrs ago #64
I'm with you. Gimpyknee 13 hrs ago #99
Yup. The girl won. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #22
Girl? Grim Chieftain 16 hrs ago #38
Oh, for heaven's sake. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #41
My thoughts exactly Grim Chieftain 16 hrs ago #44
More evidence of the steal Richluu 16 hrs ago #26
I've been saying this ALL ALONG. No way Trump flipped ALL six swing states without a little crooked help from PatrickforB 16 hrs ago #28
Taxation without representation is only a part of it. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #68
de rec for more CT election denialism nonsense and for the smearing of Biden and Harris (as these denialist stances Celerity 16 hrs ago #29
Not to mention the governors and election officials in the swing states MichMan 16 hrs ago #32
Yes, & hundreds (1000s?) of other Dem lawyers/officials. The whole election denialism thing is one giant CT clusterfuck Celerity 16 hrs ago #35
Thank you! For pointing this out AGAIN stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #56
Almost 150 recs Sympthsical 14 hrs ago #75
So good to hear from you m8! So hope all is well in NoCal! Massive win for Prop 50 as well. Celerity 14 hrs ago #85
Many of us, on this forum and elsewhere, were "screaming" for paper ballot hand recounts. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #77
Thanks for this well thought out reply dahlia ! KS Toronado 13 hrs ago #103
Thanks for the kind words. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #114
I got to wonder where they are getting their numbers from Farmer-Rick 16 hrs ago #31
The Election Truth Alliance is lying EdmondDantes_ 16 hrs ago #33
The Eta isn't claiming 100% turnout. ShazzieB 16 hrs ago #40
But that's a lie as demonstrated by the state election site EdmondDantes_ 15 hrs ago #58
There were just over 71,000 vote cast in the county. A total easily verified on PA's official Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #81
Thanks Shaz, a Judge will see everything & rule on the evidence. KS Toronado 13 hrs ago #109
I still don't get what you are saying Farmer-Rick 9 hrs ago #140
CT only helps them orangecrush 16 hrs ago #36
100% participation rate? Utterly absurd! flashman13 16 hrs ago #39
except that there wasn't (one of a number of things that the 'email' got wrong) - -(nt)- stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #59
Your alternate source is? flashman13 15 hrs ago #61
Our source is the Pennsylvania election site EdmondDantes_ 15 hrs ago #67
it's already been posted up string stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #69
All that braying from tRump and his cronies MaineBlueBear 16 hrs ago #42
Exactly! Thank you! yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #80
LOL. If they knew they were going to steal 2024 in 2020, why didn't they just steal 2020? tritsofme 14 hrs ago #82
Obviously so they can also claim that the 2 term limit doesn't apply because it wasn't consecutive EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #111
What was Jan 6th about? He tried to steal that one also. KS Toronado 13 hrs ago #113
All this proves is that some registered Democrats voted for Trump Jose Garcia 15 hrs ago #46
Quick go tell Chuck Schumer! Moostache 15 hrs ago #53
There probably is nothing we can do while the Republicans are in control. Baitball Blogger 15 hrs ago #63
Bullshit. I'm well aware of Cambria County in Pennsylvania Wiz Imp 15 hrs ago #72
This Election Truth Alliance is our side's version of Sidney Powell and the Pillow Guy. It is an utter embarrassment. tritsofme 14 hrs ago #73
Absolutely. Gimpyknee 13 hrs ago #100
+ 853 and - 853 virtually impossible unless cheating. GreenWave 14 hrs ago #76
How is that impossible without cheating? EdmondDantes_ 14 hrs ago #86
ETA's numbers on mail-in votes are not accurate. Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #92
This is the tip of the stolen election annielion 14 hrs ago #89
So given all of this clear and irrefutable evidence that is publicly available, why have Kamala and Democrats tritsofme 14 hrs ago #91
This is obviously not easy to prove annielion 13 hrs ago #101
Interesting information Bettie 13 hrs ago #102
In Pennsylvania, roughly 50% of the voters are not affiliated with either Party FakeNoose 13 hrs ago #107
If Trump got more votes than there were Republican voters creeksneakers2 11 hrs ago #126
I also double checked creeksneakers2 11 hrs ago #128
Harris was ahead in most Swing States in the last polling information. LiberalLovinLug 10 hrs ago #130
Atlas Intel had Trump winning every swing state Sympthsical 9 hrs ago #137
Those are within margin of error and then there's the undecided EdmondDantes_ 9 hrs ago #141
Thanks for the chart KS Toronado 8 hrs ago #142
This is not the first time our side has promoted election conspiracy theories. n/t Ms. Toad 9 hrs ago #138
Fortunately most Democrats aren't gullible enough to take the bait Jose Garcia 8 hrs ago #143
Trump Inoculated Himself from Claims of Election Theft by Claiming Constantly that He was a Victim in 2020. waterwatcher123 4 hrs ago #147
Thank you Fiddlelady11 2 hrs ago #148
I still believe no matter what, we need to march for election oversight. halobeam 2 hrs ago #149
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