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In reply to the discussion: I'm not sure who (Victim) in the email was, but I think the GQP's claim it was Virginia Guiffre is BS! [View all]AZJonnie
(2,279 posts)4. Anybody but Virginia Guiffre, I would agree
But she was freaking FEARLESS, man. She's the one that went out and held everyone to account!
The ENTIRE "Epstein List"? That's her list, in fact it is all from this very trial (Maxwell, 2015):
The list of people Virginia Giuffre named, under oath in the 2015 Maxwell defamation lawsuit deposition and subsequent legal filings, as those Epstein ordered her to give massages (which, by her testimony, was a euphemism for sexual acts) includes:
Bill Richardson Former Governor of New Mexico and former UN Ambassador
George Mitchell Former U.S. Senate Majority Leader and Special Envoy to the Middle East
Jean-Luc Brunel French modeling agent and scout
Alan Dershowitz Harvard Law professor and attorney (a Trump legal ally at times)
Prince Andrew, Duke of York British royal
Glenn Dubin Billionaire hedge fund owner (Highbridge Capital)
Marvin Minsky MIT computer scientist and AI pioneer
By Description (from Giuffres testimony where she could not recall or did not give a name):
Another prince, whose name she did not know (distinct from Prince Andrew)
A prominent head of state (not specifically identified)
High-profile businessmen and academics (some named, others described generally in testimony)
Prominent figures in fashion and modeling
George Mitchell Former U.S. Senate Majority Leader and Special Envoy to the Middle East
Jean-Luc Brunel French modeling agent and scout
Alan Dershowitz Harvard Law professor and attorney (a Trump legal ally at times)
Prince Andrew, Duke of York British royal
Glenn Dubin Billionaire hedge fund owner (Highbridge Capital)
Marvin Minsky MIT computer scientist and AI pioneer
By Description (from Giuffres testimony where she could not recall or did not give a name):
Another prince, whose name she did not know (distinct from Prince Andrew)
A prominent head of state (not specifically identified)
High-profile businessmen and academics (some named, others described generally in testimony)
Prominent figures in fashion and modeling
So these are powerful people, rich people, and she went and named names, so I don't see a strong reason to suspect that in the one particular case of Donald Trump, she turns tail and runs? About even SEEING him there at his place? I judge this to be unlikely. I think she'd have told whoever tried to "get to her" to go pound sand, but I could be wrong.
In the event I am, then we'd take the whole THING to be false, in which case, (Victim) COULD be Guiffre, however, that means she did NOT exonerate Trump under oath, so the GQP has a different problem because Giuffre provides no cover for them.
I thought this all through before I posted
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I'm not sure who (Victim) in the email was, but I think the GQP's claim it was Virginia Guiffre is BS! [View all]
AZJonnie
Thursday
OP
Its my understanding that the redaction was done by the Democrats to shield victims.
Callie1979
Thursday
#14
Yes, but the subject is this particular email and who (Victim) is in that context
AZJonnie
Thursday
#31
Wasn't Giuffre stationed at Trump's property until Epstein "stole" her?
live love laugh
Thursday
#18
That's my recollection. Something about her dad working at MALago in
allegorical oracle
Thursday
#20
Trumps full of it, of course, he didn't care about a towel girl going to work for Epstein
AZJonnie
Thursday
#30
Hmmmm ... okay thanks for the update. I didn't know if the Democrats knew the name before redaction
AZJonnie
Thursday
#24
I addressed that question upthread as it was the first question asked of my OP by BeerBarrelPolka
AZJonnie
Thursday
#28