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AZJonnie

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4. Anybody but Virginia Guiffre, I would agree
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:38 AM
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But she was freaking FEARLESS, man. She's the one that went out and held everyone to account!

The ENTIRE "Epstein List"? That's her list, in fact it is all from this very trial (Maxwell, 2015):

The list of people Virginia Giuffre named, under oath in the 2015 Maxwell defamation lawsuit deposition and subsequent legal filings, as those Epstein ordered her to “give massages” (which, by her testimony, was a euphemism for sexual acts) includes:

Bill Richardson – Former Governor of New Mexico and former UN Ambassador
George Mitchell – Former U.S. Senate Majority Leader and Special Envoy to the Middle East
Jean-Luc Brunel – French modeling agent and scout
Alan Dershowitz – Harvard Law professor and attorney (a Trump legal ally at times)
Prince Andrew, Duke of York – British royal
Glenn Dubin – Billionaire hedge fund owner (Highbridge Capital)
Marvin Minsky – MIT computer scientist and AI pioneer

By Description (from Giuffre’s testimony where she could not recall or did not give a name):
Another prince, whose name she did not know (distinct from Prince Andrew)
A “prominent head of state” (not specifically identified)
High-profile businessmen and academics (some named, others described generally in testimony)
Prominent figures in fashion and modeling


So these are powerful people, rich people, and she went and named names, so I don't see a strong reason to suspect that in the one particular case of Donald Trump, she turns tail and runs? About even SEEING him there at his place? I judge this to be unlikely. I think she'd have told whoever tried to "get to her" to go pound sand, but I could be wrong.

In the event I am, then we'd take the whole THING to be false, in which case, (Victim) COULD be Guiffre, however, that means she did NOT exonerate Trump under oath, so the GQP has a different problem because Giuffre provides no cover for them.

I thought this all through before I posted

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Let me see if I understand this BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #1
Fair question! Here's the magical answering machine to the rescue AZJonnie Thursday #2
Well BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #3
Anybody but Virginia Guiffre, I would agree AZJonnie Thursday #4
We will never know definitively BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #8
For some names, the co-author has knowledge TommyT139 Thursday #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Volaris Thursday #29
Did Trump pay her off? mgardener Thursday #13
Because of the so-called sweetheart deal cobbled together for Epstein... Hugin Thursday #5
Honestly BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #6
Sadly, I tend to agree... Hugin Thursday #9
That's true BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #10
At least in today's news TommyT139 Thursday #7
Could have been Katie Johnson jmbar2 Thursday #12
It would really be nice if she were to come out again Callie1979 Thursday #15
If she's still living BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #16
If not it would seem we'd hear about it. She must've had family. Callie1979 Thursday #21
Good points BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #22
That case turned out to be extremely sketchy AZJonnie Thursday #26
Its my understanding that the redaction was done by the Democrats to shield victims. Callie1979 Thursday #14
There Were Innumerable Other Minors. Virginia Was The Known.... ColoringFool Thursday #17
Yes, but the subject is this particular email and who (Victim) is in that context AZJonnie Thursday #31
I'm Saying That Trump Defenders---Not You---Will Try To Use This..... ColoringFool Yesterday #36
Sounds serious Torchlight 22 hrs ago #37
Wasn't Giuffre stationed at Trump's property until Epstein "stole" her? live love laugh Thursday #18
That's my recollection. Something about her dad working at MALago in allegorical oracle Thursday #20
Trumps full of it, of course, he didn't care about a towel girl going to work for Epstein AZJonnie Thursday #30
The GOP released the unredacted document with Giuffre's name Prairie Gates Thursday #19
Indeed - as the BBC said: muriel_volestrangler Thursday #23
Hmmmm ... okay thanks for the update. I didn't know if the Democrats knew the name before redaction AZJonnie Thursday #24
Yes, that's the question others are asking as well Prairie Gates Thursday #25
Or she didn't testify about her interaction with trump Lifeafter70 Thursday #27
I addressed that question upthread as it was the first question asked of my OP by BeerBarrelPolka AZJonnie Thursday #28
I don't think it was about money Lifeafter70 Thursday #33
I have an idea ... what if it was ALL the money from that suit, that Maxwell settled before actual court? AZJonnie Thursday #34
I was referring to Virgina Giuffre Lifeafter70 Thursday #35
Because apparently choie Thursday #32
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