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161. It doesn't matter whether I believe the OP or not. Are you saying the TSA has NOT expanded its

Sun Jun 17, 2012, 04:34 PM

Jun 2012

programs, now out of airports and into our personal lives on the ground? And do you support these tactics?

This was predicted back when the Dems were fighting the new Airport Security and we were told it would never happen. Why were we told that do you think? I remember being called 'paranoid' for predicting that soon we would have the TSA at bus stations and trains stations, ferries, subways and setting up roadblocks to search cars etc.

How far should they go? Into Malls, they have btw, wedding parties, football games, how far, how many rights do we need to give up before we feel totally 'safe'? What is your limit, and how safe is all this making us? More people die in car accidents and are murdered by other Americans every day than any terrorist could dream of. How do we keep all of them from dying?

Did you know the threat of dying by terror is one of the least threats we face each day. Why isn't money being spent to prevent all those other deaths which are happening even as I type this. How safe can be in this world? Should we seal ourselves off in some kind bubble? What is the limit?

Bush was 'our president' and he signed lots of laws. Did you think he was right?

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I was stopped today at the Bus Stop by the TSA. [View all] lib2DaBone Jun 2012 OP

Papers, please. woo me with science Jun 2012 #1

Scary. :( And it sucks. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #2

Only the Bad People will have anything to fear. malthaussen Jun 2012 #3

but, but, we don't live in a police state.... KG Jun 2012 #4

We don't, as OP did not have to produce the license treestar Jun 2012 #79

I suggest you read rhett o rick Jun 2012 #84

Okay. randome Jun 2012 #87

I live in the U.S. treestar Jun 2012 #97

Sounds like a mantra demwing Jun 2012 #106

Helps to get out once in a while. Robb Jun 2012 #109

The US is not a police state treestar Jun 2012 #111

What is one man's "reason to exaggerate and be ridiculous" demwing Jun 2012 #118

Not yet whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #123

It is not black or white. A society does not normally go from tblue37 Jun 2012 #168

Again, this alleged victim of TSA malfeasance treestar Jun 2012 #169

what would have happened if OP had refused magical thyme Jun 2012 #103

If so much is at stake treestar Jun 2012 #112

Yesterday no TSA in the bus stops but they're there today. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #88

I told you RobertEarl Jun 2012 #5

can you please tell generally where this happened? grasswire Jun 2012 #6

TPTB imported the tyranny here after WW2. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #74

Appalling. (nt) enough Jun 2012 #7

Wow, when something like this happens to me... demobabe Jun 2012 #8

I'd have told him that if I had a DL, then I wouldn't need to be waiting for the freaking bus notadmblnd Jun 2012 #9

I agree. I would have told him the same thing. n/t RebelOne Jun 2012 #17

Time to defund, dismantle, and restrict all the way to a Constitutional amendment TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #10

I get outraged when I have to go through the Border Patrol stops to go north from where I live panader0 Jun 2012 #11

No kidding huh Meiko Jun 2012 #40

I have gone through hundreds of times and never had anything but a courteous exchange grantcart Jun 2012 #146

I am very anti-meth panader0 Jun 2012 #149

Its not possible to stop all of the bad agents within 10 feet of the border. grantcart Jun 2012 #154

I agree that not all of the meth can be caught "within 10 feet of the border". panader0 Jun 2012 #156

The buffer zone is next to the border because they can't catch everyone within 10 feet of the border grantcart Jun 2012 #162

What's TSA? I know what HSA is. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #12

Transportation Security Administration, freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #15

was it TSA for sure KT2000 Jun 2012 #13

The TSA makes an appearance on the San Diego Trolley Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #14

It is absolutely untrue that the TSA has ever looked for any illegal immigrants grantcart Jun 2012 #151

I was there and it made the news. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #153

Your are completely intellectually dishonest. grantcart Jun 2012 #158

I sound deranged? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #170

ICE have multiple joint task forces where they are used solely to target suspected members of gangs grantcart Jun 2012 #178

So hanging around public transit facilities while the TSA sweeps for *whatever* isn't trolling? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2012 #179

Two Words: demwing Jun 2012 #16

Or rather.... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2012 #19

Yep. I don't know right now what actual authority they have to fuck with me demwing Jun 2012 #30

nimrod -- haha -- I haven't heard that word in years grasswire Jun 2012 #89

I remember being told I was paranoid for predicting that they would not stop with sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #18

I have found that most people who use the "thin edge of the wedge" argument are hooted down malthaussen Jun 2012 #26

they are slowly conditioning us to accept this as normal. zeemike Jun 2012 #27

You won't even be safe in your home, either. Not with what will evolve from this: Zalatix Jun 2012 #36

We're always paranoid, hyperbolic conspiracy nuts right up until the moment we're Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #35

Same here suffragette Jun 2012 #73

I can certainly relate lunatica Jun 2012 #78

Do you live within 100 miles of the Canadian border, the Mexican border, or either coast? freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #20

not even cops can demand to see DL, unless you are a motor vehicle is involved. pasto76 Jun 2012 #21

Good point treestar Jun 2012 #80

They can keep you from getting on a bus or train or subway if you refuse to cooperate with them sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #92

Was this an armed uniformed officer? Historic NY Jun 2012 #22

This thread needed a TON more details. n/t lies and propaganda Jun 2012 #23

Weird and hard to believe!!! nt greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #24

True and documented! Google TSA and VIPR. There have actually been many posts about this on DU also suffragette Jun 2012 #62

Thanks for the facts grantcart Jun 2012 #148

The confirmation that TSA was present is on the METRO's own blog site suffragette Jun 2012 #175

I'd have laughed in his face, and called him a freakin' idiot! RoccoR5955 Jun 2012 #25

Maybe Mittens Robme got hold of a TSA uniform spiderpig Jun 2012 #28

I find this part troubling: I wasn't wearing a turbin, a head scarf or a Burka...? NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #29

My interpretation of that was malthaussen Jun 2012 #33

Thank you. Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #95

But if you're not doing anything wrong, why do you object to this? GoneOffShore Jun 2012 #31

Most of the time, I AM guilty demwing Jun 2012 #34

We should all get cards printed demwing Jun 2012 #32

.... Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #38

LOL I want some! DiverDave Jun 2012 #83

Love it! whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #126

I like that idea! Not that they know what the 4th Amendment is anymore, as we've seen from their sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #132

Oh hell Yes!. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #140

Where did this incident occur? How do you know the person asking coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #37

His/her profile indicates Minnesota KamaAina Jun 2012 #135

He was probably just trying to make sure you didn't have some WEED in your luggage. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #39

Maybe it was Mitt ... GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #41

Maybe it's time we carry around wallet-size copies of the Bill of Rights for times like this. rug Jun 2012 #42

I keep a pocket-sized edition of the Constitution at my desk at work... PavePusher Jun 2012 #143

I carry one in my purse. xxqqqzme Jun 2012 #150

A poster who doesn't respond to questions in his own post? randome Jun 2012 #43

Geez, Not everyone lives on the Internet demwing Jun 2012 #44

Sure. randome Jun 2012 #45

You got that right NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #46

So maybe its not true. So what? demwing Jun 2012 #48

Why are you so defensive about this? NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #49

Because it irks me to see someone get called a liar demwing Jun 2012 #56

Been done to me, getting on a USAF flight to deploy. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #145

Sure it did NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #165

Also had small screwdriver set (for glasses, etc.) confiscated. PavePusher Jun 2012 #166

Jesus Christ, no one is asking you to believe everything you read demwing Jun 2012 #47

Couldn't care less about the OP's character. randome Jun 2012 #50

The post is a an account of the OPs personal experience demwing Jun 2012 #55

I did not say it was false. randome Jun 2012 #57

Questioning an OP's honesty demwing Jun 2012 #66

I don't 'back away' from anything unless I think I'm wrong. randome Jun 2012 #68

The OP raised a questions, has the TSA expanded its 'program' from airports to sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #133

We get lots of OPs from DUers who DO NOT start a thread and then run from it. randome Jun 2012 #137

Good ~ sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #160

Whose soil should they inspect if not that of the U.S.? randome Jun 2012 #163

Just saw you in another thread claiming something didn't seem right DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #58

Yes, that's all I do, day in, day out, ask questions. randome Jun 2012 #59

A bit more logical than believing something just because someone else asserted it treestar Jun 2012 #81

It doesn't fit with a pre-conceived notion. It fits with the facts, which have been posted over and sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #136

That's my point, you believe the OP without question treestar Jun 2012 #141

Come on, treestar. randome Jun 2012 #142

So what do you think of the TSA's now expanded program, despite having been told it would never sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #173

It doesn't matter whether I believe the OP or not. Are you saying the TSA has NOT expanded its sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #161

Until people stand up for their rights they will continue to abuse you KatChatter Jun 2012 #51

Detroit is an open-air prison. Octafish Jun 2012 #52

True or not, I did see a news clip about TSA performing security checks on buses. Proles Jun 2012 #53

There must be something wrong about the way you look slackmaster Jun 2012 #54

We MUST find ways to resist this. snot Jun 2012 #60

Saying 'No, thanks' is one way. randome Jun 2012 #67

Not buying it. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #61

Don't worry about it, 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about' sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #129

No, it's hard to believe because the OP has not deigned to provide us with requested details. randome Jun 2012 #130

What do you think of the TSA having these expanded power? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #157

You cited nothing to corroborate the OP GarroHorus Jun 2012 #138

It doen't matter what you buy or don't buy. The fact is the TSA has now expanded what was already sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #171

so show me a REAL instance of TSA checking IDs on a city bus GarroHorus Jun 2012 #174

Whether it's TSA or private security guards... randome Jun 2012 #164

Really? We must live in two different countries because I have never, ever been accosted by sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #172

A bus stop? treestar Jun 2012 #63

It does not have to be interstate travel for TSA to be involved. See post #62 suffragette Jun 2012 #72

all of which involves interstate commerce treestar Jun 2012 #76

Houston buses aren't interstate. also see post # 75 with the Whitehouse including intercity buses suffragette Jun 2012 #77

It's allowed under the statute you cited in post 62 treestar Jun 2012 #82

It looks like it's happening in more places, which isn't surprising given the expansion of funding suffragette Jun 2012 #100

A Maine columnist wrote about this -- his daughter was ID'd on a bus mainer Jun 2012 #64

was he on the bus? at the bus stop? spanone Jun 2012 #65

The predictable response to new corporate, neocon, or police state outrages: woo me with science Jun 2012 #69

i'll not think this is any more than a bullshit post until there's FOLLOW UP! stlsaxman Jun 2012 #70

Cool Story. MineralMan Jun 2012 #71

It's also on their ABC local news. Additionally the Whitehouse has included intercity buses suffragette Jun 2012 #75

The WH is a CS theory site? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #85

Without any details beyond the solitary post, MineralMan Jun 2012 #91

Mantra Time demwing Jun 2012 #108

You said that already. Robb Jun 2012 #110

Generally, repeating a message twice isn't sufficient demwing Jun 2012 #115

Or just roll over and claim to be victims of a police state treestar Jun 2012 #113

There is no on/off switch to a police state demwing Jun 2012 #116

Well then admit it is well before the shit hits treestar Jun 2012 #119

not "well before" but yeah, you're right demwing Jun 2012 #121

It began after 911 treestar Jun 2012 #122

But Citizen's United was a step back demwing Jun 2012 #125

Those are two different things. randome Jun 2012 #128

I saw it happening near the Greyhound bus station in Houston on Friday night. texanwitch Jun 2012 #94

TSA patrols Burnside and Apple Valley transit (bus park & rides) in Minnesota in 2012 - source MVTA suffragette Jun 2012 #98

I love riddles! Robb Jun 2012 #86

Doesn't need to be inside an airport. They've been doing this since 2010 at least: sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #90

... Robb Jun 2012 #96

Aw, thanks for the reminder of the days when US Citizens sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #99

Good. Great idea. Even better than comic books. Robb Jun 2012 #101

So who has been unlawfully detained or arrested because of it? treestar Jun 2012 #114

The questions should be 'how many terrorists has the TSA stopped so far?' sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #134

Well, it would take just one more big terror attack to get people obsessed about it again treestar Jun 2012 #139

I remember that too and we knew that Bush was just using 9/11 to implement all these policies while sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #159

Wait! Was this a Greyhound Bus stop or a CITY/ TOWN bus stop? lookingfortruth Jun 2012 #93

I refuse to believe it, woo me with science Jun 2012 #102

+1 demwing Jun 2012 #104

By Jove, I think (s)he's got it. Fla_Democrat Jun 2012 #105

Just repeat the Litany Against Oppression demwing Jun 2012 #107

And while you're at it, repeat the GOP litany: malthaussen Jun 2012 #117

Or it's recent variation demwing Jun 2012 #120

Excellent! And if you do it long and faithfully enough, woo me with science Jun 2012 #131

The second verse goes like this :- kenny blankenship Jun 2012 #155

Nailed! whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #124

TSA Bus Stop checks - haele Jun 2012 #127

Where? tawadi Jun 2012 #144

And yet so many people (of all political bents)... PavePusher Jun 2012 #147

Wonder what would have happened if you said kenny blankenship Jun 2012 #152

Papers, please! nt tblue37 Jun 2012 #167

What would have happened if you told him to fuck off? Matariki Jun 2012 #176

Related thread - If you see something, Film something demwing Jun 2012 #177