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azureblue

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22. Kidnapping / abduction
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:25 PM
Apr 2025

Until they display proper ID, show full face, and a warrant, they are kidnappers / abductors and should be arrested by citizens preventing a crime. And treated as child molesters / pedos if there are children involved.

If they flash a badge, yell "FAKE!" and demand paper identification, and photograph it, and say it looks fake, so you are calling the cops for impersonating a police officer. Call the cops and do not let ICE leave - tell them they are evading arrest, if they try to. Then, when the cops get there, make the ICE agents show cops the warrant, properly signed and show proper ID, then make them explain to the cops why they refused to ID them selves when attempting an abduction.

Maybe there is an attorney in the crowd, too... And, as another poster points out, what if a CC person pulled a gun on them and told them hands up or be shot? And held them on the ground until the cops came. All you would be doing would preventing a crime.

There are several "Failure to ID" laws, and cops who do not ID themselves run afoul of them a lot. ICE ignores this. They cannot prosecute people trying to prevent a kidnapping if they do not ID themselves from the very beginning, before they grab a person.. So that is the defense - "You Honor, I saw what looked to be a kidnapping or abduction by a bunch of shady looking men - I thought they were gangsters or something - they sure looked like it to me, so I jumped in to save the person. They attacked me, THEN they said they were ICE, but they never showed me a badge or ID."

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Challenging the masked, no ID Gestapo ICE will result in prison time. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #1
No it won't. Chi67 Apr 2025 #13
The charges will be obstruction of justice, just like they charged the judge. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #15
What was the name of the group that found so many J6 insurrectionists. travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #34
the problem is there is no law requiring them to identify cadoman Apr 2025 #25
Yes but the law says Americans have a right to defend themselves Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #33
agreed: it is a huge risk to agents cadoman Apr 2025 #36
Exactly. Or they grab an armed American citizen. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #37
I get where you are going, but I think the courts will stand here. Happy Hoosier Apr 2025 #35
ICE becoming the most hated federal officers in US history? Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #2
Link... MayReasonRule Apr 2025 #3
Pinkertons on a good day. bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #4
By arriving in unmarked cars, wearing plain clothes and masks, showing no badge, and... surfered Apr 2025 #5
When are people going to start doxxing the agents illegally arresting people SSJVegeta Apr 2025 #6
Exactly! Chi67 Apr 2025 #14
can you share a link to the law requiring them to identify? cadoman Apr 2025 #26
HR 6395 SSJVegeta Apr 2025 #29
10 U.S.C. 253 looks closely adjacent to ICE's ongoing "work", but does it overlap? cadoman Apr 2025 #39
Same here. I mean it seeeems like itll fit, like youre saying... SSJVegeta Apr 2025 #40
Supremacy Clause would come into play cadoman Apr 2025 #41
I'm still wondering if the people they are nabbing are being read their Miranda rights Bayard Apr 2025 #28
ha ha Miranda rights. A quaint old fashioned artifact from the old days. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #38
Miranda rights apply to criminal interrogations cadoman Apr 2025 #42
Did ICE really think that they would not get noticed in Charlottesville, given its recent history? tornado34jh Apr 2025 #7
Good citizens don't ask questions. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2025 #8
Well, again, if no one is asking what has occurred, no one would have known tornado34jh Apr 2025 #12
So that's where all those J6 pardoned felons ended up nwduke Apr 2025 #9
Very possible! bluestarone Apr 2025 #17
what will the charges be? Marthe48 Apr 2025 #10
This has already been to the Supreme Court cannabis_flower Apr 2025 #27
I live 40 minutes from MS-13's origin in Los Angeles. Buddyzbuddy Apr 2025 #11
it's bad enough they don't have uniforms or ID, what the fuck is up with the balaclava??? LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #16
So an Unidentified Masked Gang grab a guy off the street and shove him in a van. mackdaddy Apr 2025 #18
These are abductions & disappearances. Dry runs for abducting citizens. If they are official they can identify themselve Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #19
So now they are intimidating witnesses. Conducting raids like criminals with covered faces and no badges. Martin68 Apr 2025 #20
ICE needs to be disbanded. orangecrush Apr 2025 #21
Kidnapping / abduction azureblue Apr 2025 #22
'There is nothing to see here............ Dyedinthewoolliberal Apr 2025 #23
ICE officers have no "authority". They are the enforcement wing of those with "authority" namely the US Congress Cheezoholic Apr 2025 #24
ICE has become an organization of full-on thugs empowered by trump to kidnap anybody... Hekate Apr 2025 #30
Why do they believe not IDing themselves and covering their faces like criminals Figarosmom Apr 2025 #31
My suggestion is that some governors should make it clear to the Feds moniss Apr 2025 #32
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