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pnwmom

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12. There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online.
Thu May 8, 2025, 11:48 PM
21 hrs ago

And the Black Catholics I know are thrilled about this discovery. I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." They know why many people decided to "pass," once they moved out of a Black neighborhood.

The maternal side of Pope Leo XIV’s family can be traced back to at least the 1840s among “free people of color” in New Orleans, according to Jari C. Honora, a genealogist with the Historic New Orleans Collection, a research center documenting the city’s history.

Rep. Troy Carter, D-La., who represents New Orleans, also released a statement Thursday highlighting Pope Leo XIV’s “ancestral ties to our Creole and Haitian families,” saying he was proud “As a Black man” and “a proud son of New Orleans.”

Pope Leo XIV’s maternal grandparents, along with his mother’s older siblings, were “identified in records as Black or mulatto,” Honora told Forbes, but the family “passed … into a white racial identity” when they relocated to Chicago, where the pope’s mother—Mildred Martinez—was born in 1912.

. . . . Honora said in a Facebook post Thursday “Our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, has Creole of color roots from New Orleans on his mother's side!” He told The Times-Picayune a marriage license shows Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, the pope’s grandparents, married in 1887 at Our Lady of Sacred Heart church in New Orleans. Those records show Joseph Martinez listed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora told the newspaper. He added the family was listed as living at 1933 North Prieur St. in the city’s Seventh Ward, an area that was demolished during the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass, which critics say significantly disrupted vibrant Black neighborhoods in the city.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xivs-ancestry-celebrated-congressman-genealogist-tout-possible-creole-black-roots/


Honora tracked down a marriage license that showed the Pope's maternal grandparents, Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, were wed at Our Lady of Sacred Heart on Annette Street in 1887. Joseph Martinez claimed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora said, "which could very much be true, given the back-and-forth that has always existed between New Orleans and Haiti. Or he could have deeper New Orleans roots. (I'm) still working on that."

During the 1900 U.S. census, the couple was listed as residing at 1933 North Prieur Street, a site later demolished due to the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass. They were also described as Black, and Joseph Martinez was said to have an occupation as a cigar maker.
About 10 years later, the family moved to Chicago, where the pope's mother was born.

"Martinez's older brothers and sisters were all born in New Orleans, in the 7th Ward," Honora said. "They moved to Chicago between 1910 and 1912, and like so many Louisiana families, they shifted their racial identity. They moved to a big metropolis and go about what people assume you are."

https://www.nola.com/news/first-american-pope-roots-new-orleans/article_3c7bfdf1-8f69-452e-af01-90aa012366df.html#tncms-source=featured-top

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I wonder JustAnotherGen 23 hrs ago #1
yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin 23 hrs ago #2
The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom 22 hrs ago #4
He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad 22 hrs ago #8
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom 21 hrs ago #11
There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom 21 hrs ago #12
and you prove my point ... stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #15
I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom 17 hrs ago #16
and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin 9 hrs ago #20
I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad 9 hrs ago #21
But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom 6 hrs ago #23
You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad 6 hrs ago #24
I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom 6 hrs ago #25
First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad 5 hrs ago #29
It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom 4 hrs ago #31
... Solly Mack 23 hrs ago #3
That is so cool. Clouds Passing 22 hrs ago #5
Better every minute!!! elleng 22 hrs ago #6
LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom 22 hrs ago #7
Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz 22 hrs ago #9
I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee 6 hrs ago #22
More to love about mzmolly 22 hrs ago #10
TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha 20 hrs ago #13
The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 20 hrs ago #14
Clickbait headline BaronChocula 16 hrs ago #17
2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom 16 hrs ago #18
Cool Kid Berwyn 13 hrs ago #19
The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol 5 hrs ago #26
A mongrel American just like me! SARose 5 hrs ago #27
We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive 5 hrs ago #28
I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty 4 hrs ago #30
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