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In reply to the discussion: White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots [View all]pnwmom
(109,849 posts)12. There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online.
And the Black Catholics I know are thrilled about this discovery. I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." They know why many people decided to "pass," once they moved out of a Black neighborhood.
The maternal side of Pope Leo XIVs family can be traced back to at least the 1840s among free people of color in New Orleans, according to Jari C. Honora, a genealogist with the Historic New Orleans Collection, a research center documenting the citys history.
Rep. Troy Carter, D-La., who represents New Orleans, also released a statement Thursday highlighting Pope Leo XIVs ancestral ties to our Creole and Haitian families, saying he was proud As a Black man and a proud son of New Orleans.
Pope Leo XIVs maternal grandparents, along with his mothers older siblings, were identified in records as Black or mulatto, Honora told Forbes, but the family passed into a white racial identity when they relocated to Chicago, where the popes motherMildred Martinezwas born in 1912.
. . . . Honora said in a Facebook post Thursday Our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, has Creole of color roots from New Orleans on his mother's side! He told The Times-Picayune a marriage license shows Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, the popes grandparents, married in 1887 at Our Lady of Sacred Heart church in New Orleans. Those records show Joseph Martinez listed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora told the newspaper. He added the family was listed as living at 1933 North Prieur St. in the citys Seventh Ward, an area that was demolished during the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass, which critics say significantly disrupted vibrant Black neighborhoods in the city.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xivs-ancestry-celebrated-congressman-genealogist-tout-possible-creole-black-roots/
Rep. Troy Carter, D-La., who represents New Orleans, also released a statement Thursday highlighting Pope Leo XIVs ancestral ties to our Creole and Haitian families, saying he was proud As a Black man and a proud son of New Orleans.
Pope Leo XIVs maternal grandparents, along with his mothers older siblings, were identified in records as Black or mulatto, Honora told Forbes, but the family passed into a white racial identity when they relocated to Chicago, where the popes motherMildred Martinezwas born in 1912.
. . . . Honora said in a Facebook post Thursday Our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, has Creole of color roots from New Orleans on his mother's side! He told The Times-Picayune a marriage license shows Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, the popes grandparents, married in 1887 at Our Lady of Sacred Heart church in New Orleans. Those records show Joseph Martinez listed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora told the newspaper. He added the family was listed as living at 1933 North Prieur St. in the citys Seventh Ward, an area that was demolished during the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass, which critics say significantly disrupted vibrant Black neighborhoods in the city.
Honora tracked down a marriage license that showed the Pope's maternal grandparents, Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, were wed at Our Lady of Sacred Heart on Annette Street in 1887. Joseph Martinez claimed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora said, "which could very much be true, given the back-and-forth that has always existed between New Orleans and Haiti. Or he could have deeper New Orleans roots. (I'm) still working on that."
During the 1900 U.S. census, the couple was listed as residing at 1933 North Prieur Street, a site later demolished due to the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass. They were also described as Black, and Joseph Martinez was said to have an occupation as a cigar maker.
About 10 years later, the family moved to Chicago, where the pope's mother was born.
"Martinez's older brothers and sisters were all born in New Orleans, in the 7th Ward," Honora said. "They moved to Chicago between 1910 and 1912, and like so many Louisiana families, they shifted their racial identity. They moved to a big metropolis and go about what people assume you are."
During the 1900 U.S. census, the couple was listed as residing at 1933 North Prieur Street, a site later demolished due to the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass. They were also described as Black, and Joseph Martinez was said to have an occupation as a cigar maker.
About 10 years later, the family moved to Chicago, where the pope's mother was born.
"Martinez's older brothers and sisters were all born in New Orleans, in the 7th Ward," Honora said. "They moved to Chicago between 1910 and 1912, and like so many Louisiana families, they shifted their racial identity. They moved to a big metropolis and go about what people assume you are."
https://www.nola.com/news/first-american-pope-roots-new-orleans/article_3c7bfdf1-8f69-452e-af01-90aa012366df.html#tncms-source=featured-top
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White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots [View all]
pnwmom
23 hrs ago
OP
The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave,
pnwmom
22 hrs ago
#4
There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online.
pnwmom
21 hrs ago
#12
I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live."
pnwmom
17 hrs ago
#16
But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either,
pnwmom
6 hrs ago
#23
Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying
Bernardo de La Paz
22 hrs ago
#9
The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt
artemisia1
20 hrs ago
#14
2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history,
pnwmom
16 hrs ago
#18