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24. You conflated a description of his ancestry by others

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #23)

Fri May 9, 2025, 02:44 PM

8 hrs ago

Into a claim by him that he was the first black pope.

From your initial caption:

White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots

And from the article in that post:

As such, Leo XIV could be considered the first Black pope in the history of the Catholic Church, though it is unclear how he identifies racially.

And from the post I responded to:

The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, Yesterday so that tells me he IS claiming this. Good for him.

And my precise concern is that you are suggesting he claims something about his identity that he has not, from any report I have seen, claimed for himself.

I have absolutely no problem honoring what he says about his identity - should he choose to talk about it. The reason I responded is that you are putting words in his mouth about what he is claiming.

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White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots [View all] pnwmom Yesterday OP

I wonder JustAnotherGen Yesterday #1

yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin Yesterday #2

The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom Yesterday #4

He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad Yesterday #8

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom 23 hrs ago #11

There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom 23 hrs ago #12

and you prove my point ... stopdiggin 21 hrs ago #15

I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom 19 hrs ago #16

and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin 12 hrs ago #20

I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad 11 hrs ago #21

But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom 8 hrs ago #23

You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad 8 hrs ago #24

I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom 8 hrs ago #25

First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad 7 hrs ago #29

It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom 6 hrs ago #31

"glad he is claiming it" ... stopdiggin 1 hr ago #32

... Solly Mack Yesterday #3

That is so cool. Clouds Passing Yesterday #5

Better every minute!!! elleng Yesterday #6

LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom Yesterday #7

Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #9

I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee 8 hrs ago #22

More to love about mzmolly Yesterday #10

TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha 22 hrs ago #13

The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 22 hrs ago #14

Clickbait headline BaronChocula 18 hrs ago #17

2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom 18 hrs ago #18

Cool Kid Berwyn 16 hrs ago #19

The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol 8 hrs ago #26

A mongrel American just like me! SARose 8 hrs ago #27

We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive 7 hrs ago #28

I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty 7 hrs ago #30