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Ms. Toad

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29. First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #25)

Fri May 9, 2025, 03:41 PM

7 hrs ago

Second, even so - I have not seen a single report of him "claiming" his ancestry - as you are suggesting is what you meant.

And, third, your caption mentioned a black pope.

Another poster suggested you should

"tread lightly here. Having 'some ancestry' is clearly not the same thing as 'identifying' or 'claiming'. be careful"

- and in response, you said you were glad he was claiming it. It is hard to interpret that as anything other than indicating he is claiming being the black pope.

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White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots [View all] pnwmom Yesterday OP

I wonder JustAnotherGen Yesterday #1

yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin Yesterday #2

The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom Yesterday #4

He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad Yesterday #8

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom 23 hrs ago #11

There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom 23 hrs ago #12

and you prove my point ... stopdiggin 21 hrs ago #15

I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom 20 hrs ago #16

and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin 12 hrs ago #20

I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad 12 hrs ago #21

But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom 9 hrs ago #23

You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad 8 hrs ago #24

I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom 8 hrs ago #25

First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad 7 hrs ago #29

It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom 6 hrs ago #31

"glad he is claiming it" ... stopdiggin 2 hrs ago #32

... Solly Mack Yesterday #3

That is so cool. Clouds Passing Yesterday #5

Better every minute!!! elleng Yesterday #6

LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom Yesterday #7

Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #9

I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee 9 hrs ago #22

More to love about mzmolly Yesterday #10

TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha 23 hrs ago #13

The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 22 hrs ago #14

Clickbait headline BaronChocula 18 hrs ago #17

2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom 18 hrs ago #18

Cool Kid Berwyn 16 hrs ago #19

The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol 8 hrs ago #26

A mongrel American just like me! SARose 8 hrs ago #27

We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive 8 hrs ago #28

I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty 7 hrs ago #30