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xocetaceans

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15. Yes, Israel does deserve to have both peace and security, but it does not deserve to expand through settlements. The...
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 05:50 PM
Aug 5

...Israeli government does not deserve to annex extra territory just because they have a lot of religious fundamentalists who claim to think that their favorite mythological character gave them the right to occupy that extra land any more than Hamas has a right to destroy Israel in service of its chosen belief system.

Knesset votes 71-13 for non-binding motion calling to annex West Bank
Symbolic resolution calls West Bank ‘inseparable part of the Land of Israel’; critics say it reflects misplaced priorities as PA calls it ‘dangerous escalation’

By Sam Sokol
and ToI Staff

23 July 2025, 9:48 pm

The Knesset approved a non-binding motion in favor of annexing the West Bank on Wednesday, a symbolic gesture that united the otherwise fractious right-wing governing coalition.

The resolution, which passed 71-13, declared that the West Bank is “an inseparable part of the Land of Israel, the historical, cultural and spiritual homeland of the Jewish people” and that “Israel has the natural, historical and legal right to all of the territories of the Land of Israel.”

It called on the government to “apply Israeli sovereignty, law, judgment and administration to all the areas of Jewish settlement of all kinds in Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley,” the government’s term for the West Bank. The motion was advanced by Religious Zionism MK Simcha Rothman, Likud MK Dan Illouz and opposition Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer.


Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War, and the territory is now estimated to be home to more than 500,000 Israeli settlers, in addition to millions of Palestinians. Much of the international community says Israel is illegally occupying the territory and views the settlements as violations of international law, which Israel disputes.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-votes-71-13-for-non-binding-motion-calling-to-annex-west-bank/


Ultimately, Israel had a right to open offensive action against Hamas, but at the rate that they are carrying this operation out and due to the seeming circumstances in Gaza (famine, war crimes, etc.), it is hard to see Israel either getting the remaining hostages back or deciding to stop this before they seem likely to kill 100,000 to 500,000 people in Gaza. Even if it were arguable that what is happening now is not directly a willful genocide, continuing this operation much longer will likely be undeniably so, and it is unlikely that anyone will forgive Israel for that act. So, Israel, by taking the course that it seems irrevocably to have chosen in response to Oct. 7, is likely doing severe harm to its own future.

Additionally, it does not help that Israel does not allow foreign journalists into Gaza to report. So, there is no credible source of reliable information available: the restriction makes the situation appear to be purely a battle of Hamas propaganda versus Israeli propaganda. Add to that the fact, that Israel seems often "accidentally" to kill people who are peace activists (Rachel Corrie), journalists (Shireen Abu Akleh), or sailors from friendly nations (the USS Liberty), and one has to take what is reported by the IDF with almost as much salt as what one hears from the Hamas-run sources.

There has to be a ceasefire now, a flood of humanitarian aid, a plan to replace Hamas with a neutral authority strong enough to permanently exclude Hamas, and much more likely than not, a change in the Israeli government from its right-wing fundamentalist coalition to one that is much more centrist and understands the need for building a future for both Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Lastly, if you don't think that the fundamentalists in Israel are as much of a problem as Hamas, please recall who killed Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin on the brink of the Oslo peace accords. It was Yigal Amir, a right-wing fundamentalist Israeli. Had Rabin not been assassinated, it is quite possible that things might have gone quite a bit differently during these last thirty years.

Killer of Rabin Testifies: Jewish Law Dictated Actions
March 4, 1996

The confessed killer of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was testified for the first time that ritual Jewish law dictated that he assassinate the Israeli leader.

Yigal Amir, 25, has admitted to shooting Rabin dead after a Nov. 4 peace rally in Tel Aviv.

The religious Jew, who opposes handing biblical lands to the Palestinians, is on trial in Tel Aviv District Court for murder.

Amir’s testimony in court Monday came after psychiatrists who examined him concluded that he was fit to stand trial.

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https://www.jta.org/archive/killer-of-rabin-testifies-jewish-law-dictated-actions


News Organizations Urge Israel to Let Reporters and Aid Into Gaza
Saying that journalists in the territory, like many Gazans, are facing starvation,
the groups urged Israel to allow more food in.

By Ephrat Livni
July 27, 2025

Major global news organizations are calling on Israel to lift restrictions on humanitarian aid entering the Gaza Strip and on the movement of reporters in and out of the enclave as Palestinian reporters there struggle to survive amid extreme privation.

International leaders and humanitarian organizations have sounded alarms about Gaza’s rapidly worsening hunger crisis, which has led to dozens of hunger-related deaths this month, according to the local health authorities.

Now news organizations, including The New York Times, have also begun weighing in, noting that Israel has restricted international reporters from independently entering the enclave during the war and that local reporters are trapped there without enough food to live or work.

“Reporting from any conflict zone is a risky and brave pursuit that ultimately performs a global public service,” Philip Pan, the international editor of The Times, said in a statement on Sunday. “Adding the threat of food deprivation and even starvation to these risks is deeply concerning.”

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/27/world/middleeast/gaza-starvation-reporters-israel.html

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He has to throw in, "defeating Hamas," Bayard Aug 5 #1
The only thing this evil POS should be occupying is a prison cell. Initech Aug 5 #2
Plenty more should crowded in that cell. GreenWave Aug 7 #28
He's insane to want to do this JustAnotherGen Aug 5 #3
If it never ends, he Bettie Aug 7 #23
Even if he does that JustAnotherGen Aug 7 #24
It is a crusade from both sides Bettie Aug 7 #25
Stones' reference JustAnotherGen Aug 7 #30
And the biggest con ever Bettie Aug 7 #32
This proposal isn't about this POS. It's about the permanent safety of the state of Israel. ancianita Aug 5 #4
You really think this will bring peace and safety to Israel? highplainsdem Aug 5 #11
Even though Israel deserves peace, no. Even though Israel deserves safety, no. What I do think is that ancianita Aug 5 #13
Yes, Israel does deserve to have both peace and security, but it does not deserve to expand through settlements. The... xocetaceans Aug 5 #15
And Netanyahu was part of the Israeli RW that fomented extreme electric_blue68 Aug 5 #16
Points taken, but not all necessarily agreed upon. ancianita Aug 6 #17
Similarly, I accept some of your points, but I do agree with others as well. n/t xocetaceans Aug 10 #33
More info from Times of Israel GJGCA Aug 5 #5
Is it even possible that hostages are still alive? forgotmylogin Aug 5 #10
Why am I not surprised? patphil Aug 5 #6
Regardless of the outcome, Bibi and Trumpy (family) will own it and all the development rights. usonian Aug 5 #7
The media usually fails to point out that moniss Aug 5 #8
Yes!! It's about resources as well as land for the terrorist "settlers" AloeVera Aug 6 #19
Actually, an occupying power has no such control. Beastly Boy Aug 6 #20
I'm referencing what is to come. But even so moniss Aug 6 #21
Currently, as of June 2023, there is an agreement between Egypt, PA and Israel to jointly develop the Gaza fields. Beastly Boy Aug 6 #22
Agreements are torn apart and discarded aroeund the world on almost moniss Aug 7 #29
Hamas is an insurgent army. They can fade into the population. maxsolomon Aug 5 #9
This is not going to turn out well. slightlv Aug 5 #14
Looks like TACO Don has gotten his VIETNAM. ProudMNDemocrat Aug 7 #27
What has been (nearly) eliminated is Iran's abaility to supply Hamas. maxsolomon Aug 7 #31
Not just occupy Gaza, but KILL ALL THE CHILDREN AverageOldGuy Aug 5 #12
bird of a same feather--Netanyahu takes over Gaza while Puting wants to take over Ukraine. riversedge Aug 6 #18
This will be the death of Israel JBTaurus83 Aug 7 #26
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