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In reply to the discussion: Netanyahu to propose full reoccupation of Gaza, Israeli media report [View all]ancianita
(41,441 posts)17. Points taken, but not all necessarily agreed upon.
There has to be a ceasefire now, a flood of humanitarian aid, a plan to replace Hamas with a neutral authority strong enough to permanently exclude Hamas, and much more likely than not, a change in the Israeli government from its right-wing fundamentalist coalition to one that is much more centrist and understands the need for building a future for both Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Lastly, if you don't think that the fundamentalists in Israel are as much of a problem as Hamas, please recall who killed Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin on the brink of the Oslo peace accords. It was Yigal Amir, a right-wing fundamentalist Israeli. Had Rabin not been assassinated, it is quite possible that things might have gone quite a bit differently during these last thirty years.
First highlight:
These humanitarian things Israel has done in past conflicts.
Israel's humanitarian efforts have not been recognized, but that doesn't mean that Israel gets NO CREDIT for trying.
NOR WILL HAMAS LET ITSELF BE REPLACED, since its leadership is now spread out and shielded in Turkey, Lebanon, and previously had a political office in Doha, Qatar.
Re the second highlight:
Yes, a right wing Israeli assassinated Yitzhak Rabin; nevertheless, the Oslo Peace Accords were attained.
Yet in spite of the Oslo Peace Accords, Israel was attacked by Palestine that same year, 1993.
Granted for the sake of argument that things today might be different had Rabin not been assassinated, one can easily make these claims nevertheless:
a) the Hamas Charter still calls for genocide against Israel, forever;
b) Hamas leaders are giving up absolutely nothing;
c) to blame Israel, the past victim of 15 unprovoked attacks and now a 16th, does not help Israel exist;
d) Israel knows that because of its enemies' forever war, Israel is on its own;
e) Israel -- given no choice by its enemies -- is finally attempting to guarantee that this war for its existence will be Israel's last, even if it won't be in reality;
d) If anyone outside Israel, wittingly or unwittingly, wants more unjust peace for Israel even more than its continued safety as a nation -- which then means that Israel must forever live with muslim terrorist groups' or muslim states' attacks by bombings, rockets, long range missiles; and that Israelis' must forever live with the rapes, tortures, killings, and kidnappings of innocent Jews and other civilians within Israel's borders -- that if anyone wants anything else less for Israel than its safety and peace as a sovereign nation, then they strengthen the side of anti-Zionist muslim attackers;
No one outside Israel can have this final war both ways. No one outside Israel can have the final say.
This war is all 100% on Hamas and their leaders' forever war on Israel -- and the muslim nations that protect Hamas' leaders.
Every death.
100% on Hamas.
Lastly, if you don't think that the fundamentalists in Israel are as much of a problem as Hamas, please recall who killed Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin on the brink of the Oslo peace accords. It was Yigal Amir, a right-wing fundamentalist Israeli. Had Rabin not been assassinated, it is quite possible that things might have gone quite a bit differently during these last thirty years.
First highlight:
These humanitarian things Israel has done in past conflicts.
From 2013 to 2018, Israel provided medical treatment, food, fuel, water, and clothing to Syrians living near the border, affected by the civil war.
Thousands of Syrians, including children and injured rebel fighters, received treatment in Israeli hospitals and in Syrian territory through mobile clinics.
Israel also supplied fuel for heating and bakeries, as well as generators, water pipes, and school equipment to communities in southern Syria.
In Gaza:
Despite the ongoing conflict and restrictions, Israel, during the first year of this war, allowed and facilitated the entry of humanitarian aid, including food, water, medicine, and fuel, into Gaza.Timeline of Israel's humanitarian efforts:
October 18: Israel announces it will allow food, water, and medicine to be delivered to a designated "safe zone" in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, and be distributed by the UN.
October 21: The first humanitarian aid trucks are allowed into Gaza since the conflict began.
November 2023
Mid-November: Israel, under pressure from the United States, permits the entry of fuel into Gaza for hospitals, water and sanitation facilities, bakeries, and telecommunication services.
December 2023
Israel reopens the Kerem Shalom crossing, Gaza's main gateway for goods, to allow more aid into the territory.
February 2024
February 29: After a tragic aid convoy incident where over 100 Palestinians reportedly died, Israel opens a new crossing, allows more airdrops, and develops new aid routes, including one from Jordan.
March 2024
March 18: WFP delivers 18 truckloads of food supplies to Gaza City, the second convoy to use a coordinated route into Gaza City and the north.
May 2025
Early May: The United States announces a new system for providing humanitarian aid via private companies with Israeli military guarding distribution centers, creating the "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation" (GHF).
May 19: Israel resumes trucked aid deliveries, with 1,459 trucks reaching the Kerem Shalom crossing between May 19 and June 11, according to AJC.
July 2025
July 29: Israel launches daily humanitarian pauses (10 a.m. 8 p.m.) and secured humanitarian corridors (6 a.m. 11 p.m.), coordinated with the UN, to expand aid access.
Israel has coordinated with international organizations like the UN and the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) to deliver aid, including through humanitarian pauses, corridors, and airdrops.
According to AIPAC, Israel has facilitated the entry of hundreds of thousands of tons of aid, including food, water, medical supplies, and fuel, into Gaza since the October 7th attacks.
Israel's humanitarian efforts have not been recognized, but that doesn't mean that Israel gets NO CREDIT for trying.
NOR WILL HAMAS LET ITSELF BE REPLACED, since its leadership is now spread out and shielded in Turkey, Lebanon, and previously had a political office in Doha, Qatar.
Re the second highlight:
Yes, a right wing Israeli assassinated Yitzhak Rabin; nevertheless, the Oslo Peace Accords were attained.
Yet in spite of the Oslo Peace Accords, Israel was attacked by Palestine that same year, 1993.
Granted for the sake of argument that things today might be different had Rabin not been assassinated, one can easily make these claims nevertheless:
a) the Hamas Charter still calls for genocide against Israel, forever;
b) Hamas leaders are giving up absolutely nothing;
c) to blame Israel, the past victim of 15 unprovoked attacks and now a 16th, does not help Israel exist;
d) Israel knows that because of its enemies' forever war, Israel is on its own;
e) Israel -- given no choice by its enemies -- is finally attempting to guarantee that this war for its existence will be Israel's last, even if it won't be in reality;
d) If anyone outside Israel, wittingly or unwittingly, wants more unjust peace for Israel even more than its continued safety as a nation -- which then means that Israel must forever live with muslim terrorist groups' or muslim states' attacks by bombings, rockets, long range missiles; and that Israelis' must forever live with the rapes, tortures, killings, and kidnappings of innocent Jews and other civilians within Israel's borders -- that if anyone wants anything else less for Israel than its safety and peace as a sovereign nation, then they strengthen the side of anti-Zionist muslim attackers;
No one outside Israel can have this final war both ways. No one outside Israel can have the final say.
This war is all 100% on Hamas and their leaders' forever war on Israel -- and the muslim nations that protect Hamas' leaders.
Every death.
100% on Hamas.
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This proposal isn't about this POS. It's about the permanent safety of the state of Israel.
ancianita
Aug 5
#4
Even though Israel deserves peace, no. Even though Israel deserves safety, no. What I do think is that
ancianita
Aug 5
#13
Yes, Israel does deserve to have both peace and security, but it does not deserve to expand through settlements. The...
xocetaceans
Aug 5
#15
Similarly, I accept some of your points, but I do agree with others as well. n/t
xocetaceans
Aug 10
#33
Regardless of the outcome, Bibi and Trumpy (family) will own it and all the development rights.
usonian
Aug 5
#7
Currently, as of June 2023, there is an agreement between Egypt, PA and Israel to jointly develop the Gaza fields.
Beastly Boy
Aug 6
#22