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Ol Janx Spirit

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36. "But overall, we couldn't keep going the way we were going..."
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 01:34 PM
Aug 10

This seems to really be the crux of their argument. But have they truly bothered to explain why we couldn't keep going "the way we were going"? Is this part of a new push to make dangerous, dirty, loud jobs great again? Are there millions of Americans clamoring to go to work in the steel mill? Modern mills are far more efficient, automated, and use a lot of recycled steel to produce the same amount of steel as in days past with only a fraction of the labor, so the idea that America is ever going to get "back" to a time when steel mills are a path to the middle class for millions of people is mere fantasy.

There are good national security reasons to maintain a robust steel manufacturing ecology within the borders of the U.S., but preparing in advance for some as-yet-unpredicted and unpredictable catastrophe isn't what a free market is equipped to do. We live in a just-in-time (JIT) economy where the means of production have been tuned to produce the products we need as close to the time we need them as is possible. We all saw the impact of this during the pandemic where it turned out that the world was not chock full of warehouses with years of stockpiled goods just waiting to be distributed to people suddenly needing them. With only a few exceptions like grain in the ancient world, that has never been the way commerce really worked.

So what was this "way we were going"? "From the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, U.S. GDP grew by 8.2 percent—nearly twice as fast as Canada’s, three times as fast as the European Union’s, and more than eight times as fast as the United Kingdom’s." ( https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/us-economy-excellent/678630/ ) Is that the way about which he was speaking?

The entire MAGA movement is rooted in nostalgia for an America that was benefitting greatly from worldwide demand for its products in the wake of the destruction of almost all of the means production in Europe and Asia following two brutal world wars. They do not understand at all that the way we are going is not back to that--thank goodness. And if they trigger a new round of world wars in order to try and replicate the post-WWII economy they clamor to get back to, jobs in steel manufacturing will be the least of all of our concerns.

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GOP lies to Americans again BoRaGard Aug 10 #1
1. It won't cost you. 2. It's costing a tiny bit for a little time. 3. It's costing more but short time. 4. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 10 #14
Typo in the mediate article Justice Brandeis Aug 10 #2
I figured that because of how all the other coverage of "polls" have reported on the economy piece BumRushDaShow Aug 10 #3
I'm glad you checked that out - when I saw 55% approval on the economy, I almost upchucked my Wheaties progree Aug 10 #6
The recent Amherst poll had Trump's approval on inflation at just 31% (they did not ask about the economy in general) Wiz Imp Aug 10 #34
Pretty bad from a right-wing biased so-called news channel mdbl Aug 10 #13
Only if the Congressman is invested in steel stock. ... marble falls Aug 10 #4
They are getting their share of the scam profits. Irish_Dem Aug 10 #5
Close your wallets! Stop buying unless for necessities. OrlandoDem2 Aug 10 #7
+10000 Bengus81 Aug 10 #19
Do you kiss your kids... GiqueCee Aug 10 #8
The new steel plants should be running in what, "two weeks"? Totally incoherent underpants Aug 10 #9
I heard recently that the average price of a new car these days is $48,000. $48,000!!!! Vinca Aug 10 #10
Me too! 2012 Prius. Finally had to replace my battery at 98,000 miles so I am good to go for awhile. travelingthrulife Aug 10 #18
I bought my first house for a lot less Farmer-Rick Aug 10 #21
Beat you! Our first house, bought about 1975, was $24,000. Sick person that I am, I watch local real estate Vinca Aug 10 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Prof. Toru Tanaka Aug 10 #40
What next, tariffis will make you go to heaven? Make your penis longer, breasts bigger, hair shine? twodogsbarking Aug 10 #11
Don't give them any ideas mdbl Aug 10 #12
You know, Morons. twodogsbarking Aug 10 #16
I saw Gene Wilder when you said that mdbl Aug 10 #43
Press these fuckers lonely bird Aug 10 #15
Why is it for the good of the country? travelingthrulife Aug 10 #17
Eh..the MSM will get on that in a year or so. They have massive amounts of Trumps ASS to kiss Bengus81 Aug 10 #20
Shades of austerity for the masses, bailouts for the rich Farmer-Rick Aug 10 #22
After reading this republianmushroom Aug 10 #24
Now, what do you think he means by the word "country"? ananda Aug 10 #25
He should have just said, The Motherland Bayard Aug 10 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Aug 10 #33
I hope the price of Kool-Aid doesn't go up too much, Ocelot II Aug 10 #26
As long as the government is purposely hurting Brown, Gay and Transgender people Eliot Rosewater Aug 10 #27
You will never hear him say "Corporate profits are down, but it's for the good of the country". Midnight Writer Aug 10 #28
Hypocrite Kid Berwyn Aug 10 #29
I Promise Not to Cum In Your Mouth... MrWowWow Aug 10 #30
On the other hand, Lowes sells a giant Halloween monster for $400 and I even saw a $450 one in local store Wonder Why Aug 10 #31
Dollars to Doughnuts That He's In A SafeRepublican District Vogon_Glory Aug 10 #35
It's SC so I'd say you'll win that bet. Prof. Toru Tanaka Aug 10 #41
"But overall, we couldn't keep going the way we were going..." Ol Janx Spirit Aug 10 #36
... with a net worth of $18.3 million, Norman is the 28th wealthiest member of Congress ... struggle4progress Aug 10 #37
... He advocated for ... martial law to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to ... Joe Biden in January 2021 struggle4progress Aug 10 #38
"only a 55% approval rating for Trump" - Fake news! Hoax! Fox must pay me a gazillion dollars and un-rig the poll! 0rganism Aug 10 #39
"It's for the good of the country." Hmmm... jmowreader Aug 10 #42
Price of beef just went up. louis-t Aug 10 #44
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