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PSPS

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16. That's the size of it.

Reply to ChazInAz (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 21, 2025, 04:51 PM

Nov 21

Putin is putting the screws to trump because putin knows he's losing and will likely be overthrown if this keeps going. So trump, acting as putin's proxy, demands Ukraine surrender (plus give up additional territory russia doesn't even occupy now.)

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Zelenskiy vows not to betray Ukraine after US presents plan demanding concessions [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Nov 21 OP

Good for him. greatauntoftriplets Nov 21 #1

It's hard to say with the fog of war but, gab13by13 Nov 21 #2

I hate he's been put in this position, slightlv Nov 21 #3

There's only ONE reason for banning NATO membership and requiring a reduction in Ukraine's military William Seger Nov 21 #4

If the EU doesn't step in and Ukraine falls Fiendish Thingy Nov 21 #5

Time for Europe, UN, and others to step up. US is an unreliable and dangerous entity now. nt wiggs Nov 21 #6

A firm, NO! Bayard Nov 21 #7

He's my hero. More than one way to spell his last name. twodogsbarking Nov 21 #8

Putin's puppet is slobbering on his boss again. rubbersole Nov 21 #9

This has IQ4.7 repeating what Putin wants KS Toronado Nov 21 #13

That isn't a peace plan, it's essentially a surrender. patphil Nov 21 #10

Art of the Deal: "Just SIGN the goddamned surrender so I can get my goddamned Peace Prize!" William Seger Nov 21 #11

Exactly. Anyone outside of Trump or Putin calling it a peace plan is wild ck4829 Monday #18

If Ukraine holds out through winter, Russia will collapse internally. That's why they're desperate. ChicagoTeamster Nov 21 #12

I'm hoping Zelenski can hold out until the 2026 US elections. Dr. T Nov 21 #14

Let me get this straight: ChazInAz Nov 21 #15

That's the size of it. PSPS Nov 21 #16

"US plan.. " that Putin wrote? Cha Nov 21 #17