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Fri Aug 1, 2025, 01:32 PM Aug 1

The Meaning of Gaza's Tunnels - Bret Stephens, NYT [View all]

(From last year but still relevant)

Ever since Israel withdrew its soldiers and settlers from Gaza in 2005, critics have accused it of blockading and immiserating the territory — turning it, as they say, into an open-air prison. The charge was always preposterous. Gaza shares a border with Egypt. Gazans were often treated in Israeli hospitals for cancer and other life-threatening conditions. Israel provided Gaza with much of its electricity and other critical goods even after Hamas came to power in 2007. Now, as Israeli troops uncover more of Gaza’s vast underground city, the falsity of the accusation has become even more apparent.

According to a report this month in The New York Times, Israeli defense officials now estimate that Hamas’s tunnels measure between 350 and 450 miles in a territory that’s just 25 miles long. (By comparison, the London Underground is only 249 miles long.) Some of Gaza’s tunnels are wide enough for cars; some are more than 150 feet deep; some serve as munitions depots; others are comfortably kitted out as command bunkers.

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All this should radically reconfigure the world’s understanding of what Hamas has done in, and to, Gaza. It has turned the territory into a gigantic military fortress purpose-built to attack Israel, endure Israeli retaliation and interpose civilian lives and infrastructure as part of its means of defense. Imagine any other government doing something similar to its people — say, putting the NORAD command center directly below Times Square — for a sense of the outrage Hamas is perpetrating against its own people.

That’s not the only outrage. How much did it cost to build these tunnels? How much concrete, steel and electricity did it divert from civilian needs? How many millions of hours of labor were given to the effort? What was the cost of building up its stockpile of thousands of rockets, which continue to be fired at Israel? How many ordinary Gazans had to be conscripted into the effort of miserably shoveling dirt deep underground — and how many perished in the effort?

We may never know for sure. But in 2014, around the time Israel first started to get a sense of the scale of Hamas’s tunnel network, The Wall Street Journal, citing Israeli military officials, reported that the cost of building 32 tunnels (a small fraction of what has since been uncovered) came to around $90 million.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/opinion/tunnels-gaza-hamas.html?unlocked_article_code=1.a08.YCsi.CrimHrUxLUwa&smid=url-share

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I was thinking about the border with Egypt: why can't supplies come from there?

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Israel built a barrier wall drmeow Aug 1 #1
Are we talking about the JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #2
Egypt's border with Gaza c. February 16, 2024 OilemFirchen Aug 1 #3
I'm so confused JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #6
"Egypt isn't helpless." drmeow Aug 1 #4
Gaza is under the rule of Hamas. N/T lapucelle Aug 1 #5
Not at all JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #7
I understand drmeow Aug 1 #8
Nope JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #9
Hamas is responsible. Hamas can end this war today. lapucelle Aug 2 #10
"Arab states call on Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in unprecedented move" lapucelle Aug 2 #11
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