The Way Forward

NJCher

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88. this is the message:

Fri Mar 14, 2025, 02:52 PM

4 hrs ago

Corruption. That's all they have to talk about, point out, ad infinitum. There is no end to new corruption from trump.

In response to OP: "They need to pick a direction, pick a message, and then promote that message relentlessly."

Source: The Atlantic, "One Word Defines Trump."

https://archive.is/ZIeJK

The article describes the one weakness that cuts across all political lines. No one wants it: corruption.

The word is "patrimonialism." Think Hungary. The weakness of these governments is that they are there to steal. They do nothing for the citizenry.

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I'll throw my 2 cents of criticism in here [View all] EarlG 23 hrs ago OP

until schumer and the top democratic leadership is removed i will not donate a nickle to them moonshinegnomie 23 hrs ago #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles 23 hrs ago #2

Same here. However I am sending Chuck a letter. Raven123 22 hrs ago #25

And the Dems DENVERPOPS 21 hrs ago #48

Done donating Capperdan 5 hrs ago #85

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #58

In MANY ways, Bernie with his progressive populist principles is the most Democratic Democrat in Congress!! InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #62

AOC as well. choie 57 min ago #104

Amen moonshine... berksdem 3 hrs ago #91

Unfortunately same place Terry_M 1 hr ago #101

Guess what? tRump's already doing whatever the hell he wants, piss poor excuse but hey, its doesn't surprise me if they ImNotGod 23 hrs ago #3

Yep...but we're supposed to belive that WITH Gov open Trump can't do anything?? ROFLMMFAO!! Bengus81 11 hrs ago #74

Excellent point! n/t returnee 1 hr ago #100

There have been quite a few Dems with a strong message of resistance to trump... Think. Again. 23 hrs ago #4

Good to know! sheshe2 23 hrs ago #8

Why would you mention Warren when I explicitly spoke of the "young"? Think. Again. 23 hrs ago #9

I was being facetious... sheshe2 23 hrs ago #15

Oh, I see, you assumed I was saying something I did not say. Think. Again. 15 hrs ago #73

Yeah, if there's one thing the Democratic leadership adores doing intheflow 7 hrs ago #81

Messaging has been our problem for too long. Deuxcents 23 hrs ago #5

The magnitude of Schumer's failure is that it's a double fail... regnaD kciN 21 hrs ago #45

Agree. mzmolly 23 hrs ago #6

The Dems were not allowed any input to the CR SnoopDog 23 hrs ago #7

The gop were fine with a shut down. PortTack 53 sec ago #108

I agree. They're failing badly on unified messaging. highplainsdem 23 hrs ago #10

With regard to your last point, I think that's important EarlG 23 hrs ago #12

I hope it's not too late for some serious soul searching. democrank 23 hrs ago #11

Well said, democrank: Mingle. Listen. Respond. Gather. Organize. Fight. wordstroken 22 hrs ago #22

what Dems are talking aboiut imported cheese? All I hear is Dems talking in regular speak about LymphocyteLover 22 hrs ago #33

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe 22 hrs ago #37

I think corporatism and oligarchy are low-hanging fruit here LearnedHand 59 min ago #103

Schumer just explained that while a CR is terrible, a shutdown would cause a federal court shutdown and ancianita 23 hrs ago #13

That doesn't sound unreasonable EarlG 22 hrs ago #18

It's absolutely the only option. Tonight a big thanks goes out to Schumer for appearing immediately after the CR vote. ancianita 22 hrs ago #20

Do Not Want the Courts to Shut Down Tbear 22 hrs ago #19

EXACTLY. They are the bulwark. We are the party of sanity and we ARE winning. ancianita 22 hrs ago #21

Yup. That one one point convinced me. SunSeeker 20 hrs ago #64

Plus the bill continues Social Security and Medicare spending, critical to about 75 million Americans. BComplex 7 hrs ago #82

What a bunch of BS thumper2547 22 hrs ago #27

The Democratic Party operates on different levels. Attack the congressional Dems all you want when they're ancianita 21 hrs ago #44

Here you are. Lulu KC 4 hrs ago #87

Thank you for this. mzmolly 22 hrs ago #29

I cannot disagree more angrychair 22 hrs ago #31

they are not voting for the CR. They are voting to allow it to go to vote and be passed by the GOP LymphocyteLover 22 hrs ago #36

Fine. You're right. Whatever the House sent, the Senate still passed. ancianita 21 hrs ago #39

I get that angrychair 21 hrs ago #46

BIG mistake!! We need to take the fight to these fascists!! InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #50

Thank you for that voice of reason. The courts issue is super important. LymphocyteLover 22 hrs ago #34

buck stops voteragain 23 hrs ago #14

Good summation crimycarny 23 hrs ago #16

100+ InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #40

The party lacks strong leadership today. Sorry to say it Bristlecone 22 hrs ago #17

Double bind Nasruddin 22 hrs ago #23

Which option causes the least destruction and lasting harm? Martin Eden 22 hrs ago #24

K&R Docreed2003 22 hrs ago #26

100% agree with every word of this obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #28

"Heads, they win. Tails, we lose." regnaD kciN 22 hrs ago #30

At some point you have to take a principled stand... that time is NOW!! InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #55

I listened to Schumer explain his reasoning on MSNBC on tunein radio out on a walk CentralMass 22 hrs ago #32

All true, but Schumer also knows what kind of mess happens when the government shuts down FakeNoose 21 hrs ago #41

Yes, he does. ancianita 21 hrs ago #47

" In politics, looking like you're fighting goes a very, very long way." Pinback 22 hrs ago #35

I agree EarlG - the outcome is bad either way FakeNoose 21 hrs ago #38

I think that's an excellent assessment. hamsterjill 21 hrs ago #42

Thank you! You're singing my tune. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #43

With all due respect, just what is that strong counter-message do you suggest? defacto7 21 hrs ago #49

No, our best weapon against Trump, where we are actually winning, is the federal courts. SunSeeker 20 hrs ago #69

Change the Storyline Marvin Jones 21 hrs ago #51

FIGHT, god damn it! Wild blueberry 21 hrs ago #52

DING DING DING... we hava winna!! InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #54

This is Democracy......... Lovie777 21 hrs ago #53

EarlG, please see this Brian Beutler piece that Greg Sargent just posted about on Bluesky: highplainsdem 21 hrs ago #56

Nancy Pelosi would have used this situation iemanja 21 hrs ago #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Gimpyknee 21 hrs ago #59

Seriously? Gimpyknee 21 hrs ago #60

HaHaHaHa!!!! You're joking right??? GP6971 20 hrs ago #71

Pretty much how I feel about it. We're finally starting to hear stronger push back. But there's still no spark. marble falls 21 hrs ago #61

Rock and a hard place. So, the public needs to Ilsa 21 hrs ago #63

SHUT DOWN DOGE crud 20 hrs ago #65

Advise I was given... oldsoldierfadingfast 20 hrs ago #66

They need their own "drain the swamp" SSJVegeta 20 hrs ago #67

My sense remains is that the Democrats thought that there was no way Kamala would not win - NewHendoLib 20 hrs ago #68

I'm always thrilled when some else sees multigraincracker 20 hrs ago #70

Thank you for your insight. applegrove 20 hrs ago #72

I agree with much of what you wrote. BUT... Tom Rinaldo 9 hrs ago #75

Maybe the answer is, as Barack Obama put it, that "we are the ones we've been waiting for" EarlG 9 hrs ago #77

As I understand it JustAnotherGen 9 hrs ago #76

You make a good point EarlG. Hope22 8 hrs ago #78

Well stated EarlG. Do what you believe or do what you believe will cause the least harm. twodogsbarking 8 hrs ago #79

analysis mamacita75 8 hrs ago #80

All but one Democrat in the house voted against this bill HereForTheParty 7 hrs ago #83

Don't shut down the government. Two bad choices. Jakes Progress 6 hrs ago #84

We are not, let me repeat, not, in a time of business as usual. Prairie_Seagull 5 hrs ago #86

this is the message: NJCher 4 hrs ago #88

If this CR means Musk gets a position, then no, we cannot approve that. Festivito 4 hrs ago #89

Whoops! Your 2 cents ae only worth $.0135. mjvpi 4 hrs ago #90

You are wrong about... johnnyknj 2 hrs ago #92

My Problem Is That I Don't Know What Is In The Bill DallasNE 2 hrs ago #93

You've Nailed It! Daleuhlmann 2 hrs ago #94

kick question everything 2 hrs ago #95

Dems need a message malaise 2 hrs ago #96

While I hate the CR, I think that shutting down the government is not a good idea LetMyPeopleVote 2 hrs ago #97

I agree senseandsensibility 1 hr ago #98

A Stand Godot51 1 hr ago #99

Right to the heart of the matter as usual, EarlG LearnedHand 1 hr ago #102

Well said Earl. JohnSJ 56 min ago #105

Indeed. It's Time For A New Buck. I Say It's Time For Mark Kelly To Be The New Buck In Charge MayReasonRule 13 min ago #106

the more we keep harping that Dems don't have a message, the more that becomes the cw bigtree 3 min ago #107